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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are spewing nonsense again.
    Simply being against what Obama has proposed does not mean one is against NN.
    As I said, if you have another solution to ensuring net neutrality, I'm all ears.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Ah what the heck. Just to satiate your ignorance.


    President Obama's public stance that the FCC should reclassify broadband internet services as a Title II "common carrier" under the current Telecommunications Act carries many ramifications, but one is undeniable: there's going to be a hidden tax hike, and it's going to be paid for by consumers.
    Title II common carriers are required to "contribute" to what's called the Universal Service Fund - a government program to bring telecommunications services to underserved areas with the goal of universal coverage. Whether it's called "contributions" or fees or whatnot, the function of the program is a tax on corporate revenues in order to fund services for those who might not have them otherwise. It's a redistributive corporate tax paid for by consumers.

    The USF tax amounts to more than a 16% charge on top of consumers' bills. As broadband service providers are not currently subject to the USF tax, a reclassification would mean that all consumers would see a jump around that size in their bill. Considering that in some locales, the cheapest broadband service runs upwards of $50 per month, this will cost even the most price-conscious consumers an extra $100 per year - and for those at higher tiers, much more than that.

    FCC commissioners past and present have agreed that the this net neutrality tax is unavoidable in a Title II reclassification scenario. In a discussion at the National Press Club on Friday, current FCC commissioner Ajit Pai laid out exactly what consumers would be seeing on their bills.

    "Public utility regulation would mean higher broadband prices for consumers," Pai said. "Once broadband is classified as a telecommunications service, universal service charges would be assessed on carriers' broadband services. Many state and local taxes would automatically kick in."

    "The net result is that every single American broadband customer would have to pay a new tax - or taxes - to access the internet."

    An FCC decision to go with title II reclassification in order to enforce new net neutrality regulations would have a lot of deleterious effects. One of the most obvious is that it would be a tax hike on a service that the government believes is essential to American life.


    The Net Neutrality Tax Hike - Kevin Glass


    Classifying it as a Utility brings about rate regulation also.
    While he may say that it wouldn't be appropriate to apply, even Obama acknowledges that rate regulation comes with classifying it as a Utility.

    Even President Obama conceded that a strict Title II approach would not by itself be sufficient because there are hundreds of rules applying to telephone service common carriers that would be inappropriate to apply to broadband, like, for example, rate regulation.

    In addition, even Title II does not ban paid prioritization completely.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/te...net-rules.html
    I see claims. I want to see the regulations that support these claims.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if you won't answer a simple question, then engaging in a debate with you is fruitless.
    Your question is off topic and irrelevant.
    If you do not understand that, it is not worth engaging you.
    Nor are you entitled to any answer to off-topic and irrelevant questions let alone any relevant question you ask. You acting like you are is childish behavior.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    before we part ways, i'll say what is obvious : you do not support net neutrality, and you won't even admit it because it hurts your position on a site which will be seriously impacted by being relegated to the slow lane under the tiered system which you personally support. this is why you are dodging the question.
    iLOL
    What you say is just as irrelevant and absurd as your off-topic question.
    You know no such thing. And you assuming you do is foolish behavior on your part. So it is a good thing you choose to run away. You clearly know not of what you speak, and are just embarrassing yourself.

    Once you finish searching the multiple threads for my stated position you are welcome back anytime to apologize.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I see claims. I want to see the regulations that support these claims.
    You got the valid evidence that they exist. You want the actual code, find it yourself.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your question is off topic and irrelevant.
    If you do not understand that, it is not worth engaging you.
    Nor are you entitled to any answer to off-topic and irrelevant questions let alone any relevant question you ask. You acting like you are is childish behavior.


    iLOL
    What you say is just as irrelevant and absurd as your off-topic question.
    You know no such thing. And you assuming you do is foolish behavior on your part. So it is a good thing you choose to run away. You clearly know not of what you speak, and are just embarrassing yourself.

    Once you finish searching the multiple threads for my stated position you are welcome back anytime to apologize.
    then clarify your stance on net neutrality, or you will not receive another response from me.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As I said, if you have another solution to ensuring net neutrality, I'm all ears.
    This thread is about what Cruz said about Obama's proposal, Franken's idiotic statement about that and Cruz' rebuttal.
    Not anything else.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    then clarify your stance on net neutrality, or you will not receive another response from me.
    Think this needs its own poll?

    edit: never mind, I should have figured one would have been created by now.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 11-18-14 at 10:15 PM.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This thread is about what Cruz said about Obama's proposal, Franken's idiotic statement about that and Cruz' rebuttal.
    Not anything else.
    It's about preserving net neutrality, despite what some blowhard idiot like Cruz says. If you don't like Obama's proposal, then suggest a better one or get out of the way.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    then clarify your stance on net neutrality, or you will not receive another response from me.
    Your threats are not just meaningless but hilariously funny as well. Who do you think you are? You are not entitled to any answer, ever. Period.

    Go find it, as it is irrelevant and off-topic to this thread. (It is truly sad that you do not understand that.)
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's about preserving net neutrality, despite what some blowhard idiot like Cruz says. If you don't like Obama's proposal, then suggest a better one or get out of the way.
    No it is not. It is exactly what I told you it was about; What Cruz said. Read the damn title.
    And btw, Cruz did suggest a better one. Leave it as it is.
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