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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your focus on me and for the reasons stated (which is wrong) is nothing more than an example of a person who can not form a coherent argument and instead attacks the poster.
    Expected typical liberal bs.

    Try discussing the actual topic for a change.
    I am. You are not. Your solution is to do nothing and rely on magic,

    Hence why your opinion is of no value whatsoever.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality
    i'm not going to waste a lot of time worrying what Ted Cruz thinks, but i'm not surprised that he profoundly misunderstands the consequences of an internet with slow lanes. he has a lot of company in that area, though.

    telecom companies want a slow lane internet, and they are doubtlessly spending a lot to get it. let's hope that they fail, because otherwise, sites like this one will become like a regional store having its access road reduced to a narrow alley, while the big box down the road gets five lanes added. it takes a lot of nerve to promote that idea on a site that would suffer because of it. either that, or a lot of willful partisan blindness.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Not aware of it, I don't use netflix.
    Like I said, what I use the internet for hasn't been affected one iota.
    Seems the liberals think the only answer to a problem is G-O-V-E-R-N-M-E-N-T.
    I bet there are avenues which to alleviate your problem with 'netflix' without the government.
    I don't know what just yet because I didn't know you had a problem with 'netflix', But, I will look into it.
    I understand it doesn't affect you. Whether or not something affects you personally doesn't necessarily mean it's a problem.

    I don't own any firearms at this point in time. If there was a ban on "assault rifles" once again it would have zero direct effect on me. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned with the larger implications of what such actions could mean, or what it potentially opens the door to in the future.

    Maybe you don't use Peer 2 Peer file transfer services, and so Comcasts throttling of those services in the past wouldn't affect you.

    Maybe you don't use vonage, so telecoms that provide phone service blocking or hampering that service over it's networks may not affect you.

    Maybe you don't use netflix, and so a telecom having ridiculously slow speeds for it until Netflix agreed to pay them money at which point their speeds took a precipitous spike may not affect you.

    Maybe you don't use firefox, so a telecon hijacking it's google search abilities to be routed to it's own personal web search browser may not affect you.

    But that doesn't mean those aren't potential problems. It doesn't mean that Verizon arguing before a court that it should be able to discriminate against data on it's network for any reason it likes, and should be able to charge content providers extra money for data from them that transfers over Verizon's network or be punished with throttling can't lead to a potential problem for many people, or even for you. It doesn't mean that an abandonment of net neutrality principles over the next decade to two won't end up impacting you.

    Should I simply not oppose aims at restricting gun usage because I don't own a gun? Or should I have the wherewithall to understand that issues exist beyond those that directly impact me, and a problem is a problem regardless of it's personal touch on my life.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    As an ISP, what do I need to provide "better" internet? I need better wire and better servers, right?

    How do I get those things? I have to buy them, right?

    How do I get the money to buy them? I charge my customers.

    Right now I have all of my customers paying more or less the same rate no matter how much of my resource they're using. What I'd really like to do is charge my customers who use more of my resources more money for that benefit. So what I did is I looked at my customers' resource usage and noticed that "PornStream.com" is using a ****load of bandwidth. I turn around and tell them, "Hey, you guys are using a ton of my resource and that makes it hard for me to provide services to new customers so I need to either charge you more or cut back on the amount of resource I allocate to you. The good news is that if you choose to pay more then I'll be able to get more potential customers to come your way." PornStream hems and haws a little but they pay the fee anyway and a year later they have more customers and are making more money. PornStream's customers are happy because with that extra revenue PornStream added a naked asian midgets in lederhosen page. Sure, their cable bill went up a couple of bucks but who doesn't want naked lederhosen midgets?

    Now I may be mistaken but my understanding of how "net neutrality" is going to work is that in the above scenario I, as the ISP, get to pay the government to make sure that I can't charge "PornStream.com" more for their bandwidth usage. That benefits...well, I guess it only benefits the government. Pornstream gets the same service they always had. Harry Palms gets the same porn he always had. The only thing that's changed is that there's a new fee on his internet bill every month and no naked midgets.
    A cable companies customers are people that pay for access to the internet. You pay for either unlimited or for a certain level of usage. You pay for a certain speed. That is the value the cable company provides, your access to the internet. If the cable company artificially slows and puts some content in a "fast lane" doesn't provide any value to a customer. In fact if what you are trying to access is in the "slow lane" you're actually getting cheated.

    It's cable companies using their monopolies to take advantage of their control over those wires. That's all it is. It would be like an electricity company charging you for the amount of power you use to wash your clothes then tell Maytag they won't power their appliances unless they also pay a fee. It's a hostage situation. It's the classical example of a rentier.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    By that measure, France and Britain should have just let Hitler take over the rest of Europe before he attacked them. If you cannot see the writing on the wall, I cannot help you.



    Then Zyphlin is a liberal then. Rather than just relying on idiotic labeling, how about you offer a solution?



    So you, like Excon have nothing but complaints? No solutions? Worthless.
    You act like all conservatives have to be in lockstep on this issue....not so and glad you noticed that.
    We talking about the internet, not some geopolitical issue from 75 years ago.
    I have no complaints with the internet, just your solution to a fix for a problem which most people don't feel.

    If there is a problem with the internet, let's take the time to get the fix right, not some quick fix and end up with some clusterf*** like bummercare.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ....

    The argument that "Oh, they'll just use that money to improve infrastructure" just simply doesn't hold water in a basic business sense.
    Wow!!

    The whole point of being in business is to make money and there are really only two ways that happens. You either increase your market share or you increase your fees. Generally speaking, it's rare to be able to do both since fee increases almost always result in decreased market share. So, to that end, most businesses work really hard to "improve infrastructure" because it's that infrastructure that allows them to either provide more services to more people or to provide better services to the customers who are going to be paying more.

    The only "business" that tends to survive by providing ****ty service at ever increasing prices is government.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Is that worse than moving to a pay per page view internet? IMO, doing nothing as Excon wants is not the solution.
    I think suggesting we're going to move to a pay per page veiw internet anytime in the next 5 to 10 years is absolute hyperbole. Will telecoms try and push the boundries, and break the boundries, of net neutrality principles more and more and more over the coming years? Absolutely, I've stated as much in numerous threads. But something like a "pay per page view" model is an EXTREME end of that which I think is just RIDICULOUSLY unreasonable to suggest will exist in any significant way in the coming years...which you'll note, is the time span I'm talking about in regards to pushing for a law rather than going the utility route.

    And I get your distate for those who just complain and offer no solution, and a STRONG disagreement with those who just essentially say "do nothing"...but that wasn't the case with Rev, or with me. That was my point.

    I think the loan/tax credit is an interesting option. But I actually still think that a law enforcing neutrality principles, but not giving the government and ability to regulate, is more likely than any kind of attempt to break up the monopolies. I simply think the telecons will fight that FAR more than they'll fight net neutrality, especially net neutrality passed in a way that doesn't provide a clear path for even greater government control over them and an increase on taxes they have to pay.

    Indeed, with the less likelihood of taxes and less likelihood of further regulation, I think it's more likely the telecons would fight an actual passage of a law LESS than they'd fight the FCC classifying it as a utility.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Which is entirely idiotic given how ISPs have engaged in throttling. There is literally nothing stopping Time Warner and Comcast from engaging in a pay per page view form of internet tiering.
    No it isn't.
    Unless you got something that clearly indicates otherwise, how about we remain within the confines of the context of what he said?
    His comment, in context of what he was speaking about clearly indicates he wants it to remain the same as it is now, you know, without the suggested status change into a utility.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually you do. Classifying it as a utility would allow the FCC to force ISPs to treat all packets of data the same.
    Oh gawd.
    Net neutrality is about no outside interference, especially by the government.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No, he won't answer because he doesn't understand the topic outside of using it bash Obama.
    More nonsense from you.
    It was a dishonest question.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If you think he answered that question, I have ocean front property to sell you in Switzerland.
    If you do not understand that "regulation" was the answer, then you have property to sell to your self.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    To which he has zero explanations on how to do that. Meaning Cruz is entirely for letting the ISPs throttle all they want since he is against NN and against any form of regulation to ensure that all packets of data are treated the same.

    Cruz's motto is "let's do nothing while they screw us over."
    Wrong.
    Being against classifying it as a utility does not mean you are against NN.
    So stop with the dishonest arguments.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I am. You are not. Your solution is to do nothing and rely on magic,

    Hence why your opinion is of no value whatsoever.
    Your focus on me and for the reasons stated (which is wrong) is nothing more than an example of a person who can not form a coherent argument and instead attacks the poster.
    Expected typical liberal bs.

    Try discussing the actual topic for a change.
    It is your opinion that is of no value here.
    And as this topic isn't about possible solutions, but Cruz's words as to why Obama's desire to classify it as utility is wrong, you are speaking nonsense, as usual.

    Again, try getting back on topic.





    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Its the same industry, telephony. Phones have data services and enhanced technologies, but unless one goes pure VoIP like skype, you are still using phone numbers.

    911 is still regulated to work. You have taxes on your cell phone bill. You have access to tty for the deaf. Etc...

    But all of the back end stuff was converted to digital packet switched protocols in the 80s and 90s regardless of the last mile being a copper wire or radio waves. Regulation didn't hinder that. Just because you and Cruz didn't see the upgrades right in front of them doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    Did you ever use a party line for example where multiple houses had to share? That doesn't happen for example, in your scenario we would still be in that situation.
    Holy ****!
    Somehow you think what you just said is relevant.
    It isn't.
    Regulation stifles. Period.
    And such a classification brings with it taxes. Which you keep ignoring.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Typical conservative bull ****! You say you're not familiar with the issue, but that doesn't stop you from standing up for assholes like Cruz. If you don't understand the issue, why not educate yourself before commenting on the situation.
    You have distorted what I actually said (post #15), which was:

    "I'm pretty sure that it wasn't just low-info voters who elected Cruz. I'm not entirely familiar with the issue of 'Net neutrality or his position on it, but dismissing this Senator as a "talking head" does suggest that maybe you fall into that category of low information too."

    I did not say that I am unfamiliar with the issue.

    I am not standing up for Cruz; I am standing up for good sense. Dismissing Cruz as a "talking head" who preys on low-info voters is dumb and the type of remark that has ruined this thread. For every person wanting to reasonably discuss the issue of 'Net neutrality, there are four jerks who are calling others ignorant, relying on the predictable reading comprehension remarks, and making statements such as "Only a _______ (insert political party you don't like) would say _______."

    I was not responding to you in my post. Your snarky "If you don't understand the issue, why not educate yourself before commenting on the situation" puts you in the category of those who are part of the problem. And by "snarky" I mean "nasty."

    Your reach has exceeded your grasp here. Very sorry that you don't understand the difference between "not entirely familiar" and "not familiar," but you should take your own recommendation to heart and not be in such a rush to attack others.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The only "business" that tends to survive by providing ****ty service at ever increasing prices is government.
    Cable companies.
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