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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    OK dude. If you want to debate like a grade schooler, go ahead.

    Innovation happened.

    Said the one acting as a grade schooler.
    Throwing your own juvenile behavior back at you is all you deserve.
    You don't want it thrown back in your face, don't put it out there to begin with. It is that simple.

    So again.
    Why don't you read what Cruz said and keep it in context of regulating it like a Utility (as Obama wants) like the telephone services were.
    Then maybe you will understand the point he was trying to make.


    As he stated. He was making a simple contrast between one industry that was regulated by the telecommunications act of 1934 and one that wasn't.
    The problem isn't his presentation, it is that you purposely refuse to understand the simple contrast.
    Regulated industry under such like the the telecommunications act of 1934 was, and is, stifled.
    While the unregulated is not.

    You trying to poopoo what he said because of his exaggeration of calcifying or freezing it is ridiculous as well as dishonest because (as your were told) in context he was pointing out that in contrast the innovation of the current system has come from outside of regulation.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Said the one acting as a grade schooler.
    Throwing your own juvenile behavior back at you is all you deserve.
    You don't want it thrown back in your face, don't put it out there to begin with. It is that simple.

    So again.
    Why don't you read what Cruz said and keep it in context of regulating it like a Utility (as Obama wants) like the telephone services were.
    Then maybe you will understand the point he was trying to make.


    As he stated. He was making a simple contrast between one industry that was regulated by the telecommunications act of 1934 and one that wasn't.
    The problem isn't his presentation, it is that you purposely refuse to understand the simple contrast.
    Regulated industry under such like the the telecommunications act of 1934 was, and is, stifled.
    While the unregulated is not.

    You trying to poopoo what he said because of his exaggeration of calcifying or freezing it is ridiculous as well as dishonest because (as your were told) in context he was pointing out that in contrast the innovation of the current system has come from outside of regulation.
    Then both you and he missed the greater point that innovation of telecommunications happened and your feared regulation did not stop it.

    As I have pointed out.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Meaning you have nothing.


    Expected.

    All you can do is complain. You never, ever, ever offer any solutions.
    Stop being silly and are speaking nonsense. Which is expected of you.

    This discussion (about Cruz's assertion) is about Obama's desire to classify it as a Utility and the possible ramifications of that.
    Try addressing that and not irrelevant nonsense.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Essentially, a law mandating that the principles of net neutrality be held up...which I believe is similar, but an expanded version, of what the FCC recently had struck down...but not actually classifying them as a utility, which gives the government expanded power to potentially regulate the industry BEYOND simply enforcing net neutrality and also requires the industry to start paying an additional tax.
    That ain't going to happen. So many Congress members like Cruz are bought and paid for by the telecoms that they will never, ever, ever vote for this. It's easier to get the GOP to remove nuclear and oil subsidies than it will be for them to vote to cut off the high revenue tier structure from their donors.

    Ted Cruz's plan is to make NN sound bad as a tool to hammer Obama on during the GOP primaries. The amount of damage he can do purely by associating it with the ACA and Obama will cause plenty of Republicans to vote against it purely out of their own primary concerns.

    That law would be nice, but it's not even remotely realistic given telecom contributions and what Ted Cruz is doing in terms of association.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    How can the customer do anything when in most markets they have no other alternatives. Moreover, it already has been a problem.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/bu...ment.html?_r=0
    as a netflix customer over vdsl, which isn't that fast, I am fine with the service. I'm not going to watch 3d content anytime soon, but I question your claims of a so called problem.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Stop being silly and are speaking nonsense. Which is expected of you.

    This discussion (about Cruz's assertion) is about Obama's desire to classify it as a Utility and the possible ramifications of that.
    Try addressing that and not irrelevant nonsense.
    Which is cop out.

    Excon once again proves all he can do is complain. Never expect a solution from Excon. He has none. Nor will he have any.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    ultimately, you are going to have to rely on the consumer class to not get bent over and shafted.

    Personally, I feel that when it is business doing the shafting, we have far more avenues to pursue then when it is the government doing the shafting.

    So until I see real signs of big problems today, not potential for problems down the road, I am not giving any government agency more power.
    Agreed.....my fear is that all of this is to get the door opened just a little so the taxes (local and federal), excise taxes (local and federal) along with the usual fees that go along with utility regulations. Nothing good happens when the government gets involved......they don't do it for free, it's all about revenue.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    How can the customer do anything when in most markets they have no other alternatives. Moreover, it already has been a problem.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/bu...ment.html?_r=0
    ModerateGOP works in the industry and has stock options on telecoms. His opinion is literally bought and paid for by the telecoms and thus we should not consider anything he says to be of value as he has a direct positive financial incentive for a tiered system to be enacted.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Which is cop out.

    Excon once again proves all he can do is complain. Never expect a solution from Excon. He has none. Nor will he have any.
    A solution? How about a lack of solution being the solution?

    I haven't experienced any negative effects dealing with the internet.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Then both you and he missed the greater point that innovation of telecommunications happened and your feared regulation did not stop it.

    As I have pointed out.
    And you are wrong. You have no greater point. It was stifled by regulation. And doesn't even come close to the innovation from the unregulated industry that he contrasted it with.
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