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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Well, I'm probably going to use the video conferencing company that offers the best connections at the best rates. If they have to pay more for more bandwidth then that's on them, not me (other than their fee). Their business model requires lots and lots of bandwidth. Mine doesn't.
    You already pay for internet access at a certain speed. The video conferencing company adds value by the features they add to their software. The cable company charging them an additional fee above what you pay for broadband usage is a non-value added charge that is possible only because the cable company controls the method of delivery. No value is added to the product, the method of delivery is already something the consumer is charged for, yet you'll have to pay higher fees?

    The only winner in this situation is cable companies. They don't lay more wire, they don't provide a better service, they get additional money for nothing.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    The point it seems both you and the esteemed senator has missed is that utility classification did not cause stifled innovation.
    The point that the regulation which comes from such a classification does, seems to be lost on you.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Either you believe that an ISP should be able to prioritize their content over their competitors content or you don't. Once you accept that, its then just a question of how best to accomplish such a principle with public policy.
    It's not even just their competitors.

    Sure, you could have a situation where Verizon (prior to RedBox instant going defunct) throttles Amazon Prime Video and Netflix while allowing their service to go at a full speed...

    But it's also the potential for people to essentially buy their way into that preference. So if said ISP doesn't offer their own version of that content, they simply allow one provider to pay money to be the singular high speed provider on their service. So, for example, Netflix shells out cash and doesn't get throttled while Amazon Prime video doesn't pay and does.

    It's not that they shouldn't prioritize their content over a competitor. It's that they shouldn't prioritize any particular content over another unless there's legitimate network congestion issues where said prioritization is the only means to deal with it. That goes for their own content as well as content that they're paid to give priority to.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The point that regulation does seems to be lost on you.
    Wow. This is the best you can respond with?

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    NN is akin to "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor". It's the only way Liberal progressives get to tax something without saying that this is exactly what they want to do.

    Any other understanding of the subject mired in political word speak, is utter rubbish. The only thing congress should ever be concerned with about the internet is to get iCANN to make all porn sites a .xxx so that families can protect their children from the internet without expensive granular filtering programs like Websense. The other thing is allow other ISP's even start ups to use the tax funded cabling to resell the service at their whim. Allow for real competition among the ISP, rather than carved out territories.

    Other than that, leave the ****ing internet alone!

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    In a sense, you share Professor Gruber's view of the electorate. We can't all come up to your standard of intelligence--why, Cruz himself probably misses it by a mile.
    You think voters are intelligent? Please, tell me why.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Wow. This is the best you can respond with?

    No other response is needed when you are as wrong as you are.
    And that wasn't the only point he made. He also referred to the taxes such classification would bring about.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    No other response is needed when you are as wrong as you are.
    And that wasn't the only point he made. He also referred to the taxes such classification would bring about.
    So you have nothing them. Typical from what I've seen of your post history.

    My point stands, Cruz was wrong and innovation happened

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    So you have nothing them. Typical from what I've seen of your post history.

    My point stands, Cruz was wrong and innovation happened

    Wrong again.
    It is you who has nothing and no valid point.
    Typical from what I have seen of your post history.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Wrong again.
    It is you who has nothing and no valid point.
    Typical from what I have seen of your post history.
    OK dude. If you want to debate like a grade schooler, go ahead.

    Innovation happened.

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