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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    How many broadband options do you have where you live? I would suspect at best you have either cable which would be either Time Warner or Comcast, and you have the option of much slower DSL through your local Telco. Not exactly a litany of choices.
    There are at least two cable providers (Cox and Comcast), CenturyLink for DSL and a whole bevy of satellite providers. As you get outside town a little the options become fewer but even that is starting to change.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    buzz words can exist for decades. network neutrality is not a legally defined term.

    Can you host your own email server using the broadband you pay for? why not? shouldn't net neutrality allow you to do so?
    Of course you could host an SMTP server. However, in order to do so you would need to purchase a plan from you ISP that included a static IP. This way you can create MX records, SPF records, and reverse DNS records (most likely this one will need to be done by your ISP).

    Alternatively, you could just go with a standard dynamic IP account, yet utilize a spam / malware filtering service, point your MX records to them, set up SPF records pointing to their smtp servers, and relay your inbound and outbound email through that service.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    My bad. I was under the impression that there were more than 3 ISP's in the US.
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you're actually serious.

    There are many ISP's out there, but generally there are few in any given area that a person can actually use.

    Take for example my old home just outside of Roanoke Virginia in the 24083 area code. Cox? Nope. Century link? Nope. Fios? Nope. Time Warner? Nope. Hughes Net sattelite service? Nope.

    Comcast is the only cable internet service available there. Dish is POSSIBLE, depending on the location you're at to make it viable, but is kind of like pointing at a bike and a car and comparing those are legitimate alternatives for everyone in terms of daily modes of transportation and those two options somehow would make for a legitimate "choice".

    The reality is that while there may be numerous ISPs within the US, over vast portions of the country there are about 1 to 3 legitimate choices, and even out of those choices usually at least one is a bicycle compared to a car. That's not a free and open market place that will be significantly impacted by market forces.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    There are at least two cable providers (Cox and Comcast), CenturyLink for DSL and a whole bevy of satellite providers. As you get outside town a little the options become fewer but even that is starting to change.
    So basically you have 2 options, Cox or Comcast. The CIR with DSL is terrible and its not really comparable to cable in terms of speed (plus for various technical reasons a dsl connection performance drops dramatically when shared across multiple devices). Satellite internet has terrible latency and really is only viable at all for those in rural areas with no other choice.

    So just like with any other utility, you have very little choice in providers.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Of course you could host an SMTP server. However, in order to do so you would need to purchase a plan from you ISP that included a static IP. This way you can create MX records, SPF records, and reverse DNS records (most likely this one will need to be done by your ISP).

    Alternatively, you could just go with a standard dynamic IP account, yet utilize a spam / malware filtering service, point your MX records to them, set up SPF records pointing to their smtp servers, and relay your inbound and outbound email through that service.
    you can use third party services to get around your lack of a static ip, you can use non standard ports, to get around their restrictions, and your product will suck ass

    this notion of an open neutral internet is bull****. it doesn't exist today, it didn't exist a decade ago.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    A better question would be, do you think that an increase in Netflix traffic should be treated differently from an increase in Hulu traffic?
    Do you want to answer my question? I will then answer yours.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You ask the wrong question. The correct question is, should the ISP be selling 100mb lines to as many customers as they can if thier network can't handle such traffic?
    Again, answer my question and I will answer yours.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you can use third party services to get around your lack of a static ip, you can use non standard ports, to get around their restrictions, and your product will suck ass

    this notion of an open neutral internet is bull****. it doesn't exist today, it didn't exist a decade ago.
    Net Neutrality does not mean that an ISP cannot firewall certain tcp ports on a consumer internet connection (a lot of malware utilizes port 25 for communication) It simply means that they cannot tag packets at the layer 2 or layer 7 level and prioritize their content over competing content. For example, Time Warner cannot utilize QoS and traffic shaping to prioritize their voip service over a competitors like Vonage and thus artificially introduce more latency and jitters into the competitors service on their network.

    As I pointed out earlier, this is what I do. So I know my **** on this. You will hardly find any Sr. IT professionals out there that are not for the principle of net neutrality.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So, simple question: Do you think an increase in NetFlix traffic on an ISP should be shared by all NetFlix users or all ISP customers?
    An increase of traffic on an ISP should be shared by all folks on the ISP, whether that increase is from NetFlix, games, P2P, or anything else. If the network is not able to handle users pulling down a certain amount of data then it shouldn't have been offering them the ability to do such. The answer is not to target that singular service. And you continue to dishonestly debate this, as that if there is a legitimate network congestion issue then even under the principles of net neutrality throttling is a reasonable answer. However, throttling a providers data until they pay you additional money and then unthrottling it is not a sign of a legitimate network congestion issue. Simply disliking that the your a majority of your traffic created by your users is going through netflix is not in and of itself a reason to throttle netflix. If the service provider misrepresented it's ability and sold off more access then it reasonably could handle then the individual customers should not be punished, which is what netflix throttling would be doing.

    I've no issue with them throttling netflix or anything else if its for a legitimate network congestion issue in which no other option other than discrminating against that particular content providers data is available. However, that has not been the case and telecoms like Verizon have explicitely argued that they should be legally able to discriminate against data for whatever reasons they want, not just legitimate network congestion issues.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's not a dumb question but it's not really what the net neutrality debate is about. Cable companies charging for the level of usage isn't the issue. They currently can and will be able to do so in the future. Like you said, that makes sense. If I'm downloading things constantly and my neighbor isn't that is ridiculous to pretend both should pay the same amount.

    The net neutrality debate is over "fast lanes" and "slow lanes" and cable companies charging companies that provide services through the internet in order to access the fast lane.
    Using your business as an example, if you pay for 30 Mbps internet connection and your business uses a lot of video conferencing services, should the cable company restrict your video conferencing to 10 Mbps unless you video conferencing company pays Cox a fee? You pay for the amount you use and you pay for a certain speed.

    It's basically cable providers using their control over how those services are delivered in order to get a piece of the action. Rentiers are looked down on derision for good reason by almost every economic school of thought. They basically receive additional money by providing no added value.
    Well, I'm probably going to use the video conferencing company that offers the best connections at the best rates. If they have to pay more for more bandwidth then that's on them, not me (other than their fee). Their business model requires lots and lots of bandwidth. Mine doesn't.

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