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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That has nothing to do with QoS. QoS means I tag a packet at either the layer 2 or layer 7 level and prioritize that packet above other packets. For example, on a corporate network I would create a QoS class for voip traffic (IP Phone System) and prioritize those packets over other traffic that isn't so sensitive to latency.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    My point being if they can't prioritize them, they can't restrict them either.
    Sorry, I think that we were saying the same thing.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Internet is "best effort".
    Not hardly. CoS and Traffic Shaping is widely used by all carriers. If they didn't utilize CoS and some Layer 7 inspection, it would be extremely easy to take down any ISP with any coordinated DoS attack.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Again, you're missing the point. You're paying for that bandwidth. If you watch Netflix, or Hulu, or Amazon Prime, or host a website.. it doesn't matter. All of those packets should be treated the same. How an ISP handles peak vs average bandwidth is entirely up to the agreement between you and the ISP. An ISP can throttle it's biggest data users without violating net neutrality.

    What we're talking about is throttling down one provider like Hulu, but throttling up another provider like NetFlix. And all of the traffic is travelling over the same exact network.
    The only thing I would add to this is that an ISP would utilize some traffic shaping and CoS to ensure that no one user on a segment could utilize all the available bandwidth on that segment. For example:

    A segment has 100 megs of bandwidth dedicated to it. End Users on that segment have connections ranging from 3 to 20 megs of bandwidth each. There are 30 end users on that segment. If 4 of those end users with 20 megs of bandwidth started saturating their connections at the same time, the ISP would almost certainly have a traffic shaping policy that throttled them back sufficiently to ensure other end users have sufficient bandwidth.

    Of course that is all entirely possible with Net Neutrality.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    I for one... can't wait until we get rid of this pesky net neutrality.


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    That is hyperbole.
    Nothing but exaggeration to get idiots to support previous bad legislation.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    I'm for health care reform... I am not for Obamacare and the Liberals idea of health care reform.

    I am also for Net Neutrality... However, I am not for the Liberals attempt to hijack the term "Net Neutrality" to empower unelected officials to manipulate winners and losers. IMO, the President's proposal opens the door to pricing, content, and bandwidth manipulation over time. Do we want to go down yet another slippery slope?

    We should all be for Net Neutrality... We must now decide who advocates the best plan for the future. Once again, when ever ANY politician speaks... Follow the money!


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    What do you think those ISPs want? They don't want Net Neutrality, thus the huge amount of money they are spending to fight it.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Umm did he really just use a smart phone to compare against a regular phone and say the telephone industry was frozen in place?


    Why don't you read what Cruz said and keep it in context of regulating it like a Utility (as Obama wants) like the telephone services were.
    Then maybe you will understand the point he was trying to make.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Not hardly. CoS and Traffic Shaping is widely used by all carriers. If they didn't utilize CoS and some Layer 7 inspection, it would be extremely easy to take down any ISP with any coordinated DoS attack.
    but isn't it interdependent and not completely in ones control once it passes the last native router on the isp?
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is hyperbole.
    Nothing but exaggeration to get idiots to support previous bad legislation.

    Explain how it would NOT happen in the USA with the current ISP structure we have--- if we legalize the ability to prioritize ...

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Explain how it would NOT happen in the USA with the current ISP structure we have--- if we legalize the ability to prioritize ...

    I do not need to explain how that was an exaggeration.
    Hell it isn't even in-line with the restriction of Netflix and Comcast that was being misrepresented.
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