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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    A granular approach to QoS allows ISPs the ability to far over-license their purchased circuits, greatly reducing the cost per customer for access to the internet with minimal impact on the service provided. More customers, more and varied demands, more innovation. If you actually had to pay for the cost of your internet access that was pegged at all times to your high usage you likely couldn't afford it.

    People keep complaining that they want the "internet to stay how it was" which shows just how ignorant they really are. Advancements in QoS technology over the years is what has lead to the internet boom of the last 20 years. "The way it was" back in the day was paying $100 to a telcom/month for a locked 750k of bandwidth. At those speeds NetFlix barely functions, if at all. With QoS you can have NetFlix customer take the bandwidth equivalent of 5 customers of the "good old days" because those 5 customers are current not using their bandwidth. THat works well until NetFlix eats over a quarter of the internet Bandwidth and there is a growing demand for non NetFlix traffic.

    By Net Neutrality standards if you are hit with new demand for, say, some news even that sends millions of customers to the PC to stream a news report, the 10% increased demand in bandwidth means you take 10% from all existing traffic equally, which barely effects the NetFlix user, but kills services operating on slim functionality margins.

    You can't treat all data equally simply because all data isn't equal. The next time you are trying to check out at a grocery store and the system can't process your transaction because the internet connection is slow just remember that you are taking one for the team so some guy can watch RoboCop in remastered 1080p.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE

    Everyone pays for bandwidth. Content providers pay for bandwidth, content consumers pay for bandwidth, ISPs pay for bandwidth. If someone doesn't have enough, they buy more. That's the way the internet has worked, that's the way it should work.

    Net neutrality is only dealing with the small part of the internet which connects you to the ISP. All of the rest of the internet will continue to function exactly the same way because it has to, it's a cooperative distributed network. Do you want ISPs to tell you how you can use your bandwidth? Or should we let the free market decide?

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am not sure where they differ. Moreover, I don't know of a single IT professional that opposes Net Neutrality.

    I has visual aids:


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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The way it was WAS net neutrality. Net Neutrality was in force from the beginning of the internet until this year.

    What an absurd statement.
    No it wasn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    In January of this year, a federal appeals court threw out the federal rules mandating net neutrality. They did so because the FCC was treating broadband providers as common carriers without classifying them as such.
    That is called a Government overreach, which is an abuse of power.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    They did so because the FCC was treating broadband providers as common carriers without classifying them as such.

    Nice spin, but no; They treated them as a "common carrier" when the Law specifically forbade doing so.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    As part of the ruling the judges said that net neutrality is a good thing, and the federal government should implement it by way of other means.
    I guess you do not understand that a Judge's dicta means absolutely nothing and has no affect.


    And don't get confused like others have as to any position I, Cruz or anyone else may have by opposing classifying them as Utilities.
    Opposition to classifying them as Utilities does not mean one is opposed to NN.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am not sure where they differ. .
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    I for one... can't wait until we get rid of this pesky net neutrality.


    Imagine the future!


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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    oops, that image was a lot larger than intended.
    sorry.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The bolded statement is not accurate. Net Neutrality means ISPs are not allowed to alter, restrict or enhance packets based on origination, destination, or saturation.

    Net Neutrality means not only can Joe User not pay for more bandwidth or priority, but the ISP cannot stop him from hindering your bandwidth through over-use.
    It is accurate. Obviously if a consumer pays for twice the bandwidth they can get twice the number of packets. I figured that was self evident.

    We're talking about packets coming INTO the ISP from the internet at large. Net Neutrality means that the ISP is not allowed to prioritized those packets.


    Comcast can't say, oh.. hi competitor's movie service packet. I think I'll lose every 10th one of you.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Good luck. I have been trying to penetrate his skull with reason on this issue for days. Liberals have blind faith in liberalism. Since liberal Obama has proposed the regulatory change, why it must be a good thing. So they don't even question the wisdom of doing it. They fall in line like lemmings and don't even consider for an instant the downside of treating the web like a utility.
    Sadly, there are quite a number of individuals that never seem to get it. "Capitalism doesn't work", they cry, never realizing that it doesn't work because government regulation hinders competition and people like them don't actually participate but instead insist on more regulation to counter the byproducts of existing regulation.

    He just doesn't think of the opportunity. Should he and others that want this "net neutrality" would invest in a start up, market it and grow it, they could not only achieve "net neutrality" but could also become rather wealthy off the deal. Instead, the only solution too many see is to whine to "Momma Government" to do something. Kind of reminds you a 3 year olds running to their mothers, doesn't it?
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am not sure where they differ. Moreover, I don't know of a single IT professional that opposes Net Neutrality. It all falls under existing law unless the law is changed. The 1996 Telco Act specifically.
    The concept of Net Neutrality, and the proposal to reclassify the ISP's as regulated utilities,
    are not the same thing. There is a lot of baggage that would come along with the reclassification.
    Some of it may help the issue of Net Neutrality, but once you allow the Government regulatory
    privileges, who is to say, they will not regulate other aspects of the internet.
    There is also the issue of the additional taxes, that will be passed on to everyone.
    The Government does lot's of things, but none of them for free, and they do not have
    any money of their own.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel
    Should he and others that want this "net neutrality" would invest in a start up, market it and grow it, they could not only achieve "net neutrality"
    ummmm wow. no.

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