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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Sen Al Franken (D-Minn.) responded on Sunday to a Washington Post op-ed in which Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) wrote that net neutrality is "Obamacare for the internet".

    Franken said Cruz "doesn't understand" what net neutrality is.

    "He has it completely wrong and he just doesn't understand what this issue is," Franken told Candy Crowley on CNN's "State of the Union".

    Read the article here: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Ted Cruz isn't a stupid guy but he's totally wrong on this issue.

    I believe that we'll hear more from him on this. This is a very important issue to a lot of people.


    "we are reclassifying it so that it stays the same"


    "war is peace"

    "affordable care act"

    When a socialist says one thing, it means the opposite. I mean, seriously, with the magnitude of lies told by this administration, who with a brain is going to believe you need to change something in order to keep it then same? Is that like "we had to pass it [unread] so that you could read it"?

    As is Obama is not already using the internet to spy on all of us?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    There is, but they'd like it even less. The other way is a competing national broadband. We could power the entire country with the hot air that would generate.
    I'd rather my taxes go to a national system of free internet service than government funded condom drives. However, we're a nation that doesn't really understand why freedom to access to content at the speed you paid for is more important than getting laid. So I doubt that would ever happen. One can dream though!
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    "we are reclassifying it so that it stays the same"


    "war is peace"

    "affordable care act"

    When a socialist says one thing, it means the opposite. I mean, seriously, with the magnitude of lies told by this administration, who with a brain is going to believe you need to change something in order to keep it then same? Is that like "we had to pass it [unread] so that you could read it"?

    As is Obama is not already using the internet to spy on all of us?
    By using the word "Obamacare" Cruz manipulated you flawlessly. The result is you're arguing against your own interests and you refuse to learn what the topic is about.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And that was a challenge. Learn simple English.
    So your challenge wasn't to actually challenge anything in discussion? Mmkay.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    The fact that Sen. Franken wants to keep net neutrality the way it is, agreed upon by Helix, versus Sen. Cruz who sides with
    Time-warner and Comcast in creating fast lanes and charging for it, tells me all I need to know.

    Pulling this "I don't trust" card out every time two members from different parties disagree is ridiculous.
    Good luck with the GOP screwing up your internet due to their beholding to their corporate maters .

    And Cruz using the word Obamacare saying "Obamacare for the internet" is right up your alley .
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    All I know is I like the internet the way it is. If this law changes something I don't want it. If the law guarantees the internet will remain as is and codifies it, then that is good.

    I really know nothing about the act, but I do know I don't trust either Cruz or Franken and I would never take either's word as gospel.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Only in the land of the partisan hacks would a person arguing that regional monopolies exist (fact) and they have no interest in the free market (fact) be seen as someone who is in 'griping about big business'. In that world, giving them the power to do away with net neutrality (fact) is seen as a positive for the free market (your position) which doesn't exist in that type of business (fact).

    The guy who just minutes ago didn't know why net neutrality was important, is now reverting to catch phrases about liberals. How odd for a Libertarian! As it stands, net neutrality is literally the last bastion of freedom in telecommunications. That's what we have now and it has little to do with big business and everything to do with how content is accessed by the consumer. Essentially, without it, it'd be like you paying $100 for 100 TV channels, and then being charged again per minute of viewing time. The monopolies which already exist and have no interest in the market, are who you are arguing should be left in charge of defining what content you watch and how you watch it.

    Are you even serious?
    Of course I am serious. You are asking for me to give the government a greater say and more power with regard to the internet (and to trust liberals) and I am balking. Will this new regulatory structure of yours end anything you laid out in your first paragraph? Answer: no.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Of course I am serious. You are asking for me to give the government a greater say and more power with regard to the internet (and to trust liberals) and I am balking. Will this new regulatory structure of yours end anything you laid out in your first paragraph? Answer: no.
    Net neutrality does that.

    When other, hypothetical changes are proposed, I'll be happy to discuss those.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because you're looking at the wrong people. Innovation on the internet comes from content creators, not the ISP that delivers the content. Net neutrality helps innovations like Twitter or Facebook become the giants that they are.

    As a rough analogy: you don't look to FedEx for innovation in small electronics. Apple and Samsung are doing that. FedEx just delivers the boxes.
    OK, continue with that analogy then. What does this new law do to FedEx?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Of course I am serious. You are asking for me to give the government a greater say and more power with regard to the internet (and to trust liberals) and I am balking. Will this new regulatory structure of yours end anything you laid out in your first paragraph? Answer: no.
    How can I explain this... net neutrality isn't giving the government power over anything. It's ensuring that things stay as they are now. It won't regulate free speech on the internet, it won't regulate what information you have access to, it would not even mean you'd be charge more. Now, without net neutrality, it is companies which will have the power to regulate these things. Your provider is in bed with Republicans? Be ready for access to shows you like being restricted if they're on a crusade against any sort of immorality. Oh, you live in a liberal area? Okay! Great, be ready for access to Rush Limbaugh's website to be damn near impossible without paying extra on top of subscriptions. Have you not grasped that detail yet?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Net neutrality does that.

    When other, hypothetical changes are proposed, I'll be happy to discuss those.
    Even if I grant that something should be done, why is treating them as utilities the proper response?

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