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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    No.

    I'm saying that they cannot artificially slow down the traffic of their customers simply to force more money of out them. The only limitation on bandwidth should be the physical infrastructure paid for by the customer. Using software to forcibly slow down traffic for no legitimate reason is unacceptable.

    Basically it strikes me as extortion, in a way.

    Especially if the company being targeted relies on bandwidth to serve it's customers.
    If that is the way they structure their business and their clients agree to it, then yeah, that is what you are saying.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If that is the way they structure their business and their clients agree to it, then yeah, that is what you are saying.
    You took economics right? At the basic level of economics you learn about monopolies and oligarchies, and how there is no free market when those exist? Right? You know that. And then tack on an extremely inelastic product at that.

    Can you admit that?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If that is the way they structure their business and their clients agree to it, then yeah, that is what you are saying.
    I'm saying they should not be allowed to threaten their clients with slower connection speeds in order to extort larger fees out of them.


    You don't see a problem with such tactics?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You took economics right? At the basic level of economics you learn about monopolies and oligarchies, and how there is no free market when those exist? Right? You know that. And then tack on an extremely inelastic product at that.

    Can you admit that?
    There is nothing to admit.
    I asked him a question and he answered it.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm saying they should not be allowed to threaten their clients with slower connection speeds in order to extort larger fees out of them.


    You don't see a problem with such tactics?
    Never said I did or didn't.

    But I do know that if it is by prior agreement it is not extortion.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    There is nothing to admit.
    I asked him a question and he answered it.
    So you don't agree that monopolies and oligarchies do not represent a free market?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Never said I did or didn't.

    But I do know that if it is by prior agreement it is not extortion.
    What sane company would agree that another company they contracted to provide a service could reduce their quality of service until they paid more money for said service?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So you don't agree that monopolies and oligarchies do not represent a free market?
    That's an odd question. Especially as I do not believe I answered either way.

    What I do know is that it is irrelevant to what Cruz has said about classifying it as a utility as Obama wants.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What sane company would agree that another company they contracted to provide a service could reduce their quality of service until they paid more money for said service?
    That really wouldn't be an accurate description for something that is contracted now is it?
    It also seems to me that you are referring to what you think happened with Netflix and Comcast, when in reality it was a contractual dispute, not some arbitrary extortion.
    So, it seems to me that under your scenario, what they would contract to pay more for is of their choosing.
    And if they don't pay what they agreed to pay, they don't get it.
    That's not something new and is done all the time, is it not?

    Anyways, we are off topic as this is irrelevant to what Cruz has said.
    Do you deny Cruz was speaking to classifying it as a utility?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That's an odd question. Especially as I do not believe I answered either way.

    What I do know is that it is irrelevant to what Cruz has said about classifying it as a utility as Obama wants.
    Why wouldn't you just answer it? Anyway, it's not entirely relevant since monopolies need to be treated different - it's just the way it is. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but not all markets can be competitive.

    Anyway, I'm not so sure it needs to be classified as a utility or even have the FCC watch over it. Net Neutrality would easily be enforced by end users... so it could just be a piece of legislation with little to no cost to anyone.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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