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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    a better way would be to pass a congressional bill that guarantee's net neutrality. this way we have a law there is no tax and you still get the same results.
    Yes, but Congress has already rejected this idea. In... 2006? It was a while ago. The GOP wont accept it.

    So, FCC it is.

    edit: Actually, several recent bills were also proposed, none seem to have gotten past committee.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I was incorrect, that's why I deleted the post. They do. 2/3 vote.

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    I'm not sure how Charlie Rangel came up in a discussion about net neutrality, but whatevs.
    Oh. Kobie. Sorry to have inadvertently trumped your delete.

    My point about lack of expulsion (which isn't there - oh well), was can you imagine if trumped up legal charges could remove you political opponent in congress? I can see where that'd be abused. And yeah, what's this doing in a thread about NN? I agree with you there.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Oh. Kobie. Sorry to have inadvertently trumped your delete.

    My point about lack of expulsion (which isn't there - oh well), was can you imagine if trumped up legal charges could remove you political opponent in congress? I can see where that'd be abused.
    I could as well. Probably one reason doing so is pretty difficult.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    And his alternative?
    Apparently you are not paying attention.
    "Cruz stated that he wants things to remain as they are. That is an alternative to classifying it as a utility."


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    If I'm for something but against the way it's being done then I'm going to make it very clear that the reason I'm against it is because there are other better methods of implementing it.
    Again he stated he is for letting it remain as it is now.
    That is an alternative to Obama's governmental control proposal.
    ANnd far better than Gov control.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Ask yourself this, did you care about this issue before the last few days?
    Why is it those who have no valid arguments constantly bring up irrelevancies?
    I don't usually answer irrelevant questions, but as a sharer I have been aware for as long as you have, and have made both for and against arguments not only in ref to NN but to actual sharing as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Where has Ted Cruz been on the issue?

    More irrelevancies. Figures.
    Show me where he has to have a sated position that was previously announced. Can you do that?
    Thought not.
    He doesn't have to have a previously stated position.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You'll note that the criticism against Cruz is just as strong from the right as is is from the left. Here's some of the responses Cruz has gotten from Republicans. tps://m.facebook.com/tedcruzpage/posts/10152839355922464
    Please note that is irrelevant as well.
    Especially as it appears that, like here, there are those who have no idea what they were speaking about.
    Cruz was speaking to what implementing NN by classifying it as a utility would bring. Which is not saying what NN is as the idiots were saying.
    You attempting to provided such nonsense in support of your position is absurd to an extreme. You thinking irrelevant bs holds any significance, speaks wholly to your own thoughts on this and does not reflect well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    And Gizmodo's take:
    Still irrelevant.
    Kate Knibbs, some author of no merit.
    Not only that, but she is a wrong as the others you presented.
    So not just irrelevant, but also meaningless and invalid.


    This is a disingenuous, chicken**** political maneuver and nothing more.
    Yeah sure. Just as Obama's support of NN is.
    Her hyperbole discredits her.


    Ted Cruz and his team have the facts wrong about net neutrality. Obama specifically said the government would NOT be in charge of pricing: "I believe the FCC should reclassify consumer broadband service under Title II of the Telecommunications Act — while at the same time forbearing from rate regulation and other provisions less relevant to broadband services."
    She doesn't seem to understand that such regulation comes with the classification of Utility, just as the taxes that come with it are.
    That doesn't change because Obama says so.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Apparently you are not paying attention.
    "Cruz stated that he wants things to remain as they are. That is an alternative to classifying it as a utility."
    The only issue I have with things remaining as they are is that to my understanding some/all ISPs have already started artificially slowing down specifically targeted traffic to force more money out of some of their customers.

    This cannot be accepted.

    However I am unsure whether classifying the internet as a utility is too heavy a hand in attempting to remedy the situation.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The only issue I have with things remaining as they are is that to my understanding some/all ISPs have already started artificially slowing down specifically targeted traffic to force more money out of some of their customers.

    This cannot be accepted.
    So you are saying that an ISP can not charge what it wants for what it provides?
    Is that about right?

    Interesting.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    But what he did was criminal. All he got was a slap on the wrists. Seems that congressmen treat their own according to different rules than the rest of us. That's a real problem, the in-equal application of the law? Wouldn't you agree?
    Is that the problem? Or is it a case of the punishment fitting the crime?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So you are saying that an ISP can not charge what it wants for what it provides?
    Is that about right?

    Interesting.
    No.

    I'm saying that they cannot artificially slow down the traffic of their customers simply to force more money of out them. The only limitation on bandwidth should be the physical infrastructure paid for by the customer. Using software to forcibly slow down traffic for no legitimate reason is unacceptable.

    Basically it strikes me as extortion, in a way.

    Especially if the company being targeted relies on bandwidth to serve it's customers.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    No.

    I'm saying that they cannot artificially slow down the traffic of their customers simply to force more money of out them. The only limitation on bandwidth should be the physical infrastructure paid for by the customer. Using software to forcibly slow down traffic for no legitimate reason is unacceptable.

    Basically it strikes me as extortion, in a way.


    Especially if the company being targeted relies on bandwidth to serve it's customers.
    That's because it is.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Is that the problem? Or is it a case of the punishment fitting the crime?
    Well, yes, I see un-equal application of the law as a problem. I know that it's an idealized idea, but shouldn't lady justice be blind?
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