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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The answer to your question is: just as stupid as Ted Cruz is. And apparently, he is just that stupid, to the point that "he just doesn't understand net neutrality", and yes, it is pretty clear.
    It's pretty clear that Ted Cruz understands net neutrality. It isn't rocket science, and someone with the intellectual clout to write 70 Supreme Court briefs should be quite capable of both understanding what it means and its implications.

    Net neutrality has been a subject of debate for 30 years. It has even made its way sporadically into the mainstream news cycle, 2007, Jan 2014 etc.. At no time did Ted Cruz make any statement whatsoever about Net Neutrality. Obama says he's for it and suddenly Ted Cruz is 100% against it. It doesn't take a genius to understand what's going on.


    Edit: Excon, why on earth would you like this? Sure Ted Cruz understands Net Neutrality, but that doesn't mean he's being honest about it.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I am not in favor of Obama's method of net neutrality either. if you don't know what Obama's method is then I will explain it to you and well you will see what Obama's method of net neutrality is basically the obamacare for the internet.

    Obama wants the FCC to regulate internet companies to ensure net neutrality. on the surface this seems like a good idea. currently the FCC does not regulate the internet or what internet companies do with the internet.

    The chairs of the FCC have warned Obama that if they do this then internet companies will be forced to pay the FCC fee that they currently do not have to pay. there is no doubt that this fee will be passed onto customers. so basically everyone with and internet connection will have to pay a federal tax if the FCC regulates the internet the way that Obama wants.
    so basically you do have obamacare for the internet. you want on the internet then you will have to pay the fcc tax to use it.

    a better way would be to pass a congressional bill that guarantee's net neutrality. this way we have a law there is no tax and you still get the same results.
    No one wants this. The only thing anyone wants here is the assurance that content providers won't be charged twice for providing the same service and that big ISPs can't tilt the playing field to what's profitable for them.

    Congress could pass a law legislating exactly this. Ted Cruz could lead the charge. ... yet.... Ted Cruz proposes no alternatives? He's a legislator... Shouldn't he... you know... legislate?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    At no time did Ted Cruz make any statement whatsoever about Net Neutrality. Obama says he's for it and suddenly Ted Cruz is 100% against it. It doesn't take a genius to understand what's going on.
    That suggestion is nothing more than an example of an over active imagination.
    Cruz had no reason to mention previously that he is against classifying it as a utility because the possibility of such didn't happen until now.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Not to make too big an issue of this, but Cruz is anything but stupid. The guy was valedictorian at his high school, received degrees from Princeton and Harvard and has actually argued cases before the Supreme Court. And, yes, it bothers me when people refer to Obama as stupid as well. Neither man is stupid and, in fact, both are exceedingly brilliant. Neither are infallible, however. And either being wrong on a particular issue hardly makes them stupid.
    OK. I guess I was wrong. Thanks for bringing all of that to my attention.

    The guy isn't stupid, he's just a liar.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    yet.... Ted Cruz proposes no alternatives? He's a legislator... Shouldn't he... you know... legislate?
    Nonsense. Cruz stated that he wants things to remain as they are. That is an alternative to classifying it as a utility.

    And our legislators shouldn't be legislating anything unless it is absolutely necessary for the betterment of the country.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    OK. I guess I was wrong. Thanks for bringing all of that to my attention.

    The guy isn't stupid, he's just a liar.
    Good. So what is he lying about?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That suggestion is nothing more than an example of an over active imagination.
    Cruz had no reason to mention previously that he is against classifying it as a utility because the possibility of such didn't happen until now.
    And his alternative?

    If I'm for something but against the way it's being done then I'm going to make it very clear that the reason I'm against it is because there are other better methods of implementing it.

    Ask yourself this, did you care about this issue before the last few days? Did you even know about it? There are those of us who've been following it for a decade, some even more. Here's candidate Obama talking about Net Neutrality in 2007. Where has Ted Cruz been on the issue?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-mW1qccn8k

    You'll note that the criticism against Cruz is just as strong from the right as is is from the left. Here's some of the responses Cruz has gotten from Republicans. tps://m.facebook.com/tedcruzpage/posts/10152839355922464

    Some examples
    As a Republican whom also works in IT like Ed... You have no clue what you are talking about or you are company bought and paid for.

    As a Republican who works in the tech industry I can say that this statement shows you either have no idea what you are talking about or you are bought and paid for by the American Cable monopoly. This is amazingly an stupid statement and is disheartening.

    Ted, I am as conservative as they come.... I want government out of just about everything... and I hate to say it, really hate to say it, but Obama is right on this one. I do not want my access and internet speed controlled by my ISP. It will be. The internet has been an open forum with little to no restrictions, that will change and not for the better. Bottom line, do not go against freedom of the net just because Obama is for it. Even an old blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

    Goddammit, stop making my party look like morons and look up net neutrality. It doesn't mean what you and your speechwriters think it means.
    And Gizmodo's take:
    Ted Cruz's Net Neutrality Take Isn't Just Dumb, It's Dangerous

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Yes. He got censured and lost his committee chair.
    But what he did was criminal. All he got was a slap on the wrists. Seems that congressmen treat their own according to different rules than the rest of us. That's a real problem, the in-equal application of the law? Wouldn't you agree?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well, neither chamber of Congress has the constitutional authority to expel one of its own members, so what else are they supposed to do?
    Kobie, Hmm. I didn't know that expelling wasn't an option, but in retrospect, I can see and understand why that's the case.
    Are you telling me that there's no prosecutor for crimes committed by congressmen? Surely that can't be true.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Kobie, Hmm. I didn't know that expelling wasn't an option, but in retrospect, I can see and understand why that's the case.
    Are you telling me that there's no prosecutor for crimes committed by congressmen? Surely that can't be true.
    I was incorrect, that's why I deleted the post. They do. 2/3 vote.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsi...tates_Congress

    I'm not sure how Charlie Rangel came up in a discussion about net neutrality, but whatevs.
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