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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I'm not going to read your whole post but it's pretty obvious to me that Ted Cruz would not say "net neutrality is Obamacare for the internet" in an editorial in which he's strongly supporting net neutrality. How stupid would a human being have to be to conclude a pro-net neutrality editorial with an attack on net neutrality? No, there's no way that Ted Cruz is that stupid. I don't think you're giving him enough credit. No, he just doesn't understand net neutrality, that seems pretty clear to me.

    I'm sure somebody posted this but yesterday Cruz posted this anti-net neutrality video which concludes with him saying we shouldn't reclassify the internet as a utility but the title of the video says that it's about net neutrality. This is a man who clearly has no idea what net neutrality is. And the idea that with net neutrality the government could decide which businesses can and cannot operate on the internet? That makes no sense at all. We are looking at a man who knows one thing about net neutrality: he was told it is bad for business and so he's repeating the talking points his people are giving him.
    And you are wrong again. Figures.
    He is against classifying it as a utility to accomplish NN. Which this is about.
    He clearly stated he wanted things to remain they way they are.
    Your failure to acknowledge these things as well as what he actually said, continually makes you in the wrong.
    So come back when you have something valid to say.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Show me where I discussed Obama's policies as you claimed. I'll wait.



    Are you still trying to conflate the fact that you didn't know what net neutrality was with some imaginary discussion we had on Article II and Obama's policies? I'll wait until you can show the post where I discussed them.



    Third time you try to steer the conversation away from your defense of Ted Cruz' statements. Do you not realize that nobody is falling for it yet?
    I never defended Ted Cruz' statements. As I said, and you went on to prove, you and I were not discussing Cruz' comments in this thread. That was just you lying. Over and over and over and over again. You seem to be following to the letter the liberal tactic of lying your ass off, then sticking to the lie even after it is exposed. Honesty is not a virtue to liberals as you continue to demonstrate. And for that, I thank you.

    As I also mentioned earlier, I was discussing obamas plan for NN and you were arguing with me. Now, for anyone with a first grade education, that would mean you and I were arguing obamas policy on NN. So, if you are looking for a post where you discussed obamas policy, all you need to do is find a post of yours where you argued against what I was saying. See what you can accomplish when I do your thinking for you?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    And you are wrong again. Figures.
    He is against classifying it as a utility to accomplish NN. Which this is about.
    He clearly stated he wanted things to remain they way they are.
    Your failure to acknowledge these things as well as what he actually said, continually makes you in the wrong.
    So come back when you have something valid to say.
    Cruz' exact words:

    "In short, net neutrality is Obamacare for the Internet."

    and hes he's in favor of net neutrality, just not via this method?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    ...How stupid would a human being have to be to conclude a pro-net neutrality editorial with an attack on net neutrality? No, there's no way that Ted Cruz is that stupid. ... No, he just doesn't understand net neutrality, that seems pretty clear to me.
    The answer to your question is: just as stupid as Ted Cruz is. And apparently, he is just that stupid, to the point that "he just doesn't understand net neutrality", and yes, it is pretty clear.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Cruz' exact words:

    "In short, net neutrality is Obamacare for the Internet."

    and hes he's in favor of net neutrality, just not via this method?
    I am not in favor of Obama's method of net neutrality either. if you don't know what Obama's method is then I will explain it to you and well you will see what Obama's method of net neutrality is basically the obamacare for the internet.

    Obama wants the FCC to regulate internet companies to ensure net neutrality. on the surface this seems like a good idea. currently the FCC does not regulate the internet or what internet companies do with the internet.

    The chairs of the FCC have warned Obama that if they do this then internet companies will be forced to pay the FCC fee that they currently do not have to pay. there is no doubt that this fee will be passed onto customers. so basically everyone with and internet connection will have to pay a federal tax if the FCC regulates the internet the way that Obama wants.
    so basically you do have obamacare for the internet. you want on the internet then you will have to pay the fcc tax to use it.

    a better way would be to pass a congressional bill that guarantee's net neutrality. this way we have a law there is no tax and you still get the same results.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I am not in favor of Obama's method of net neutrality either. if you don't know what Obama's method is then I will explain it to you and well you will see what Obama's method of net neutrality is basically the obamacare for the internet.

    Obama wants the FCC to regulate internet companies to ensure net neutrality. on the surface this seems like a good idea. currently the FCC does not regulate the internet or what internet companies do with the internet.

    The chairs of the FCC have warned Obama that if they do this then internet companies will be forced to pay the FCC fee that they currently do not have to pay. there is no doubt that this fee will be passed onto customers. so basically everyone with and internet connection will have to pay a federal tax if the FCC regulates the internet the way that Obama wants.
    so basically you do have obamacare for the internet. you want on the internet then you will have to pay the fcc tax to use it.

    a better way would be to pass a congressional bill that guarantee's net neutrality. this way we have a law there is no tax and you still get the same results.
    Can you point to anything in any net neutrality bill that will force ISPs to pay a fee? To the best of my knowledge, no such proposal to tax the internet exists as part of NN, it's just made up.

    But maybe if the tax is the only issue, then instead of rejecting net neutrality, we should be rejecting the concept of taxing it.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The answer to your question is: just as stupid as Ted Cruz is. And apparently, he is just that stupid, to the point that "he just doesn't understand net neutrality", and yes, it is pretty clear.
    And you are just as wrong.
    No where is it evident that he doesn't understand what NN is.
    That claim is nothing more than exaggerated nonsense.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The answer to your question is: just as stupid as Ted Cruz is. And apparently, he is just that stupid, to the point that "he just doesn't understand net neutrality", and yes, it is pretty clear.
    Not to make too big an issue of this, but Cruz is anything but stupid. The guy was valedictorian at his high school, received degrees from Princeton and Harvard and has actually argued cases before the Supreme Court. And, yes, it bothers me when people refer to Obama as stupid as well. Neither man is stupid and, in fact, both are exceedingly brilliant. Neither are infallible, however. And either being wrong on a particular issue hardly makes them stupid.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Can you point to anything in any net neutrality bill that will force ISPs to pay a fee? To the best of my knowledge, no such proposal to tax the internet exists as part of NN, it's just made up.

    But maybe if the tax is the only issue, then instead of rejecting net neutrality, we should be rejecting the concept of taxing it.
    Classifying it as a Utility will bring about taxing it as a utility.


    President Obama's public stance that the FCC should reclassify broadband internet services as a Title II "common carrier" under the current Telecommunications Act carries many ramifications, but one is undeniable: there's going to be a hidden tax hike, and it's going to be paid for by consumers.
    Title II common carriers are required to "contribute" to what's called the Universal Service Fund - a government program to bring telecommunications services to underserved areas with the goal of universal coverage. Whether it's called "contributions" or fees or whatnot, the function of the program is a tax on corporate revenues in order to fund services for those who might not have them otherwise. It's a redistributive corporate tax paid for by consumers.

    The USF tax amounts to more than a 16% charge on top of consumers' bills. As broadband service providers are not currently subject to the USF tax, a reclassification would mean that all consumers would see a jump around that size in their bill. Considering that in some locales, the cheapest broadband service runs upwards of $50 per month, this will cost even the most price-conscious consumers an extra $100 per year - and for those at higher tiers, much more than that.

    FCC commissioners past and present have agreed that the this net neutrality tax is unavoidable in a Title II reclassification scenario. In a discussion at the National Press Club on Friday, current FCC commissioner Ajit Pai laid out exactly what consumers would be seeing on their bills.

    "Public utility regulation would mean higher broadband prices for consumers," Pai said. "Once broadband is classified as a telecommunications service, universal service charges would be assessed on carriers' broadband services. Many state and local taxes would automatically kick in."

    "The net result is that every single American broadband customer would have to pay a new tax - or taxes - to access the internet."

    An FCC decision to go with title II reclassification in order to enforce new net neutrality regulations would have a lot of deleterious effects. One of the most obvious is that it would be a tax hike on a service that the government believes is essential to American life.


    The Net Neutrality Tax Hike - Kevin Glass


    Classifying it as a Utility brings about rate regulation also.
    While he may say that it wouldn't be appropriate to apply, even Obama acknowledges that rate regulation comes with classifying it as a Utility.

    Even President Obama conceded that a strict Title II approach would not by itself be sufficient because there are hundreds of rules applying to telephone service common carriers that would be inappropriate to apply to broadband, like, for example, rate regulation.

    In addition, even Title II does not ban paid prioritization completely.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/te...net-rules.html
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Cruz' exact words:

    "In short, net neutrality is Obamacare for the Internet."
    And?
    In short, it is a valid comparison.


    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    and hes he's in favor of net neutrality, just not via this method?
    Not via this method.
    Whether he is in favor in principle has yet to be determined. He may not be.
    But regardless if he is or isn't that is irrelevant to this discussion about classifying it as a utility.
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