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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Hes not the only person, I am not sure why it is Ted Cruz is wrong. Perhaps he means the way Obamacare took a bad situation and made it worse is the analogy he is making. Or it could be that since Obamacare was a pack of lies meant to dupe a stupid American public, how can we be sure he isn't about to do the same thing again. Obama has no credibility and it is advisable to all 'stupid Americans' to be very skeptical of everything he says.
    Okay! Okay, for the two people with no access to Wikipedia (presumably because their ISPs have blocked access to it):

    What he did he actually say? He said net neutrality was Obamacare for the internet. That essentially means that the internet, as we know it today, is an overregulated mess where a person's right to choose options is debatable. However, as we all know, the internet as we know it today is one of the few mediums where access to content is only lightly regulated. For example, can you access whatever website you'd like without issue? Great! That's net neutrality! No net neutrality? News sites become part of a package. You play video games online? That becomes part of an entertainment package. Want to go on Netflix? Prepare to pay extra to Comcast because they feel like getting in on Netflix profit. Now remember, under net neutrality, none of these things are possible. All content is treated equally.

    In short, Ted Cruz is arguing that the internet under net neutrality, which is what we have now, is going to be more restricted if it stays under the same system. It doesn't take a genius to realize the errors in that argument. Net neutrality is what has allowed innovation on the internet, good and bad. Without it, the internet becomes no better than a Comcast cable package and we all know how great companies like Comcast are.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Okay! Okay, for the two people with no access to Wikipedia (presumably because their ISPs have blocked access to it):

    What he did he actually say? He said net neutrality was Obamacare for the internet. That essentially means that the internet, as we know it today, is an overregulated mess where a person's right to choose options is debatable. However, as we all know, the internet as we know it today is one of the few mediums where access to content is only lightly regulated. For example, can you access whatever website you'd like without issue? Great! That's net neutrality! No net neutrality? News sites become part of a package. You play video games online? That becomes part of an entertainment package. Want to go on Netflix? Prepare to pay extra to Comcast because they feel like getting in on Netflix profit. Now remember, under net neutrality, none of these things are possible. All content is treated equally.

    In short, Ted Cruz is arguing that the internet under net neutrality, which is what we have now, is going to be more restricted if it stays under the same system. It doesn't take a genius to realize the errors in that argument. Net neutrality is what has allowed innovation on the internet, good and bad. Without it, the internet becomes no better than a Comcast cable package and we all know how great companies like Comcast are.
    So I would have to pay extra for certain services. So what? Why not let the market sort it out?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Yeah it would be..
    Classifying it as a utility causes it to be taxed, not just by the Fed, but by the State and local Govs as well.
    So sew that bs elsewhere.
    Prove that this is required for anything classified as a utility.


    Double d'oh!
    You appear to read more into what has been said then has actually been said.

    I said it isn't neutral now, and exemplified the statement by pointing out various ways that people and businesses are charged.
    That isn't going to change. So there will be no neutrality, that type of throttling will always be allowed.
    Again. Net neutrality does not ban all kinds of throttling.
    Under net neutrality, an ISP can still offer different speeds for different costs, and they can even still throttle traffic for network congestion reasons. It's not a misnomer, you're just applying the concept in an overly broad fashion.

    Net neutrality simply requires than an ISP not selectively throttle lawful data from different sources, except in the conditions mentioned above. An example of what is not allowed under net neutrality: Your ISP decides that they like HuffingtonPost better than Fox News, so they allow HuffPo to transfer data to you at the full rate that your subscription allows, but they slow down Fox News to a crawl because they don't like Fox News' content. Or because Fox News hasn't coughed up enough money.

    An example of what is allowed under net neutrality:
    Fox News has the latest breaking exclusive scoop that Obama really wasn't born in the United States. Millions of people flood to Fox News' website to read the story. Too much traffic to handle, so the traffic gets throttled to maintain system integrity.

    An example of what is allowed under net neutrality:
    An ISP charging different rates for their 1mb/sec, 5mb/sec, and 10mb/sec packages, or offering different data caps for different prices.

    By pointing this out I am showing that "Neutrality" is actually a misnomer being used to garner support to enforce something that does not need to be enforced by turning it into a utility.


    While "neutrality" is actually a misnomer, you are correct that Congress could pass legislation to not allow the specific type of throttling in question.
    It's not a misnomer. You're just using a different interpretation of the word "neutrality" than everyone else is. Quit arguing semantics and comment on the concept.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    In the article that the op linked to, Franken was quoted saying the following:

    “This is about reclassifying something so it stays the same. This would keep things exactly the same that they've been.”


    Is it just me, or did that sound like Franken just said that "The internet ain't broke, but the government needs to fix it anyway in order to transform the unbroken internet into the same unbroken internet it's always been."

    LMAO
    It might sound that way if you were unaware that the "not broken" part actually was recently broken. Franken is proposing we go back to the recent "not broken" state, because the recent change was a bad idea.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So I would have to pay extra for certain services. So what? Why not let the market sort it out?
    Lol, the market? If there were actual choices available to the customer, this wouldn't be a problem. However, as it stands the US has regional monopolies on internet service. That's the second reason people don't buy this "free market" stuff when it comes to net neutrality. For one, major service providers aren't interested in it (as they work with local governments to choke competition) and two there simply aren't enough options available for there to be any actual competition between providers:

    We Need Real Competition, Not a Cable-Internet Monopoly - The New Yorker

    Comcast Corporation is America’s biggest cable company, its biggest internet-service provider, and its third-biggest home-telephone provider. As the owner of NBCUniversal, it’s also one of the largest producers of programming for film, cable, and television; on NBC’s networks, it is currently showing the Olympics. It’s not just big by American standards. It’s the largest media company in the world. In 2013, it took in $64.67 billion, generating $13.6 billion in operating income and $7.1 billion in net profits.
    So in short, doing away with net neutrality means that not only will the companies who have no interest in the free market be allowed to continue choking smaller providers (with government help), they'll also be able to charge customers a second time. Do you realize why net neutrality is important now? Or not?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You think we would be better off with a one party system?
    Why in the **** would you think that?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Hes not the only person, I am not sure why it is Ted Cruz is wrong. Perhaps he means the way Obamacare took a bad situation and made it worse is the analogy he is making. Or it could be that since Obamacare was a pack of lies meant to dupe a stupid American public, how can we be sure he isn't about to do the same thing again. Obama has no credibility and it is advisable to all 'stupid Americans' to be very skeptical of everything he says.
    Net neutrality simply means your ISP can't selectively throttle lawful traffic based on its source. I.E. they can't decide that Huffington Post gets the fast lane and Fox News gets the slow lane just because they like HuffPo better, or because Fox News hasn't coughed up a ransom. This is how the internet has always functioned, and it functioned quite well by my measure. Recently, this was changed.

    That's it. Nothing else. It doesn't mean the government monitors or controls ISP data plans, it doesn't mean the government arbitrates content, it doesn't mean innovation is stifled (promoted, in fact), and it doesn't mean the government takes over your ISP.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It is the way that Obama wants to accomplish it which is wrong.
    It does not have to be, nor should it be classified as a utility.
    Ok. How do we ensure net neutrality without regulation?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Either Cruz is talking out of the wrong end again, or he's been bought and paid for by the major ISPs.
    Of course he's bought and paid for, to the tune of $47,000 apparently.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Ok. How do we ensure net neutrality without regulation?
    Pray to the ghost of john galt

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