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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If neither you nor I can imagine a different way, and if it has worked for 25 years, then there's no point in trying to find a different solution. As you said, if it ain't broke, why fix it?
    Touche'

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is that all you got?
    What do you want at this point? For us to go Professor Xavier on you and telepathically put the information into your head? If you refuse the explanations by everybody on this forum, and if you refuse to educate yourself, then that doesn't leave very many options.

    If your goal is to remain ignorant then that's a barrier none of us can overcome. I'm comfortable admitting my limitations in that regard.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Touche'

    Still don't like government regulations. Always comes with far too many strings attached which typically ends up badly.
    It sometimes can, and I think we should reserve our energies for when those moments happen. Focusing on things like the Patriot Act, the War on Drugs or Asset Forfeiture would be much better issues to confront than a regulation that actually works.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What do you want at this point? For us to go Professor Xavier on you and telepathically put the information into your head? If you refuse the explanations by everybody on this forum, and if you refuse to educate yourself, then that doesn't leave very many options.

    If your goal is to remain ignorant then that's a barrier none of us can overcome. I'm comfortable admitting my limitations in that regard.
    What's the legislation say?!? How hard is it for you?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    For those who think opposition to net neutrality isn't wrong:

    So alright, it can be used to restrict other companies from conducting business with other companies:

    The worst net neutrality violations in history

    In 2004, Vonage customers who lived in a rural section of North Carolina started reporting something strange. The VoIP service, which effectively turns a broadband connection into an inexpensive phone line, had suddenly stopped functioning. The problem wasn’t limited to a few individuals—every single customer of regional ISP Madison River Communications was facing similar issues. Why? The company had imposed a system-wide block on all VoIP services through a process called port blocking.

    In addition to broadband Internet, Madison River also offered landline telephone service, to which VoIP providers like Vonage are a direct competitor. By blocking VoIP from working on its network, Madison River was attempting to prevent the cannibalization of its landline business.
    It has implications on freedom of speech:

    In 2007, abortion rights group NARAL Pro-Choice America embarked on a fundraising campaign that took advantage of supporters' ability to send monetary donations to the organization via text message. NARAL got the okay to conduct the campaign from every major cellular provider, save for one.

    Verizon denied the request, telling NARAL that the company, ‟does not accept issue-oriented (abortion, war, etc.) programs—only basic, general politician-related programs (Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, etc.).”
    Consumers can't use their devices as they see fit:

    Tethering is a process by which a cellular device is converted into a mobile Wi-Fi hotspot that can be used by other devices, like laptops and some tablets, that are unable to send and receive cellular signals.
    Added costs to consumers:

    In 2012, AT&T blocked Apple’s video chat app FaceTime from running on its mobile network unless customers paid extra for a Mobile Shared Data plan, which mandated they also pay for unlimited voice service and text messages. AT&T’s explanation was that usage of the app on its network was eating up so much bandwidth that the network couldn’t keep up with demand, and restricting the app’s use to people who signed up for that more expensive plan would reduce the strain on its network infrastructure.
    Deny business to other companies:

    This block didn’t just extended to only pirated content. Legitimate copyright holders who wished their distribute their content through peer-to-peer network were also stymied.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's the legislation say?!? How hard is it for you?
    Until you educate yourself you're not qualified to participate in this thread.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's the legislation say?!? How hard is it for you?
    This is the bill that was proposed in February.

    http://democrats.energycommerce.hous...-2014-1-24.pdf
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's impossible.
    George Washington didn't think so. He practically begged us not to do the party thing.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    For those who think opposition to net neutrality isn't wrong:

    So alright, it can be used to restrict other companies from conducting business with other companies:

    The worst net neutrality violations in history



    It has implications on freedom of speech:



    Consumers can't use their devices as they see fit:



    Added costs to consumers:



    Deny business to other companies:
    I'll admit that I don't if this actually fits into the discussion, but carriers also track how you browse on your phone. Going to amibeingtracked.com on your mobile's browser will determine if they're tracking you. Again, I don't actually know if this is even relevant to the thread.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You got caught with you pants down and now you're trying to run away. Nothing new, there.
    really? elaborate. can you do that without resorting to logical fallacies and dishonesty?

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