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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're getting desperate. Not only did you not know what net neutrality was or is, you absolutely have no clue what the implications of not having it are. The fact that you argued that you'd be okay with letting the free market "handle it", when no such thing currently exists in telecommunications means you've lost all credibility on this issue. Furthermore, that you continue arguing that liberals want to regulate a concept by maintaining the same guidelines is just further evidence of your general ignorance. Now poof, vamoose, you've got no real argument when you degenerate into a rant about evil libruls.
    Im not going anywhere. It is you who have not addressed specific questions I had about this issue, but are willing to accept whatever solution the great Obama and his leftist elites have in store for you. Try questioning authority once in a while. Wasn't that what liberalism was based upon at one point? Liberalism has gone from questioning authority to worshiping it. Pretty sad.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    To be honest, I don't want to convince people to agree with me when it comes to net neutrality regulations. Hell, I've already stated I'm not sure what the best way to ensure it is. However, if the system can stay the way it has for 25 years, I'm perfectly fine with that. However, we know that's not what is happening. Thanks to the efforts of companies like Comcast, some people are going to see their bills jump, access to certain sites slowed down and websites like DP may even have to pay ransoms for access to them. That's not the kind of internet I want.
    Agreed.

    I don't know either which is the way to maintain what we've had for the last 25 years. I'm really not all excited by yet more regulations from the government, as they tend to give companies feet of lead, rather than the fleet afoot that we've experienced in the tech sector, nor do I like the idea of a tiered delivery performance system, in effect a balkanization of the Internet (although if you think about it, how often you see an @aol.com email address and think of A-O Loser! - but that's different I think).

    We also have to acknowledge the good deeds from companies such as ComCast, AT&T, etc., in putting the current and extensive data pluming into place. Without their investments over the years in building out the Internet from major backbone links to the last mile and making it available to the general public at a reasonable price, we'd still be have an Internet of academicians trading insults with each other, rather than the information super highway that we have today on which you can purchase any number of things and conduct any number of business transactions (and yes participate in virtual communities such as this), and we should continue to have in the future.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's really sad that some people make this out to be an argument of right v. left. It'd be like saying that ensuring water sources aren't polluted carries a right/left slant. It's nonsensical, partisan hackery at its worst.
    You just have to package it right. A statement like "Ensuring access to water is like Obamacare" would, it would seem, appear to be sufficient.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I agree. I'm not really thinking that either of those parties is going to really address the issue AND stop from turning it to their advantage and exploitation. Call it an equal lack of trust in either of them.
    Greetings, Erik.

    Trust is such a nebulous thing, isn't it? It's so fleeting, and once lost, very difficult to get back.! Business can be counted on doing what's best for their bottom line and their shareholders, and government can be counted on doing what's best for them to hold on to and enlarge their authority over all of us. Neither side cares what the people think as they watch the drama unfolding.

    For my part, I'd rather side with business for several reasons. 1) The consumer can negotiate with a business - if rates get too far out of line, or their service starts getting sloppy, you can complain and threaten to go with someone else. They don't like to lose customers so something can always be offered to keep you happy. With the government, if their regulations and bright ideas get too absurd, that's just too bad. Follow the law is what you're told to do! You have nobody to complain to, except perhaps your congress-critter, but they have already exempted themselves from whatever it is that's bugging you, so they could care less, except at election time.

    2) Businesses create jobs and anyone who is not productive won't last long, because business is competitive, especially since we've become a global economy. Government doesn't have that worry... they can hire as many people as they wish, which tends to happen every time they make a new rule, or new law. Somebody has to shuffle all those damn papers around that have been created, and you certainly don't dare to ask existing personnel to take on additional work! They already feel they're overworked, and the unions might get involved.

    Bottom line - taxpayers already know they're going to end up the losers whichever decision is reached, but they would be interested in knowing why this topic is under consideration NOW! Free speech and exchange of ideas seems to be a problem lately for some - not how fast the internet can work, or whatever. We may indeed be as stupid as government seems to think we are, but maybe not!

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Aside from a general objection to government involvement in this sort of thing, the bolded was second on the list. Treating the internet like a utility might very well bring about changes you will live to regret that you have not even considered. There seems to be a rush to accept any change regardless of whether or not it is the right change. Much like Obamacare. Look how that has turned out.
    You're exposing your weak debating skills again Fletch, better be careful. Not knowing what is the best way to ensure net neutrality does not make opposition to net neutrality any less of a ridiculous position. However, trying to argue that net neutrality in anyway resembles Obamacare when it's part of the well working system that's been around for 25 years is absolutely ludicrous.

    The fact that you think net neutrality means "change" when it's been what has actually been around for 25+ years is just laughable.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Agreed.

    I don't know either which is the way to maintain what we've had for the last 25 years. I'm really not all excited by yet more regulations from the government, as they tend to give companies feet of lead, rather than the fleet afoot that we've experienced in the tech sector, nor do I like the idea of a tiered delivery performance system, in effect a balkanization of the Internet (although if you think about it, how often you see an @aol.com email address and think of A-O Loser! - but that's different I think).

    We also have to acknowledge the good deeds from companies such as ComCast, AT&T, etc., in putting the current and extensive data pluming into place. Without their investments over the years in building out the Internet from major backbone links to the last mile and making it available to the general public at a reasonable price, we'd still be have an Internet of academicians trading insults with each other, rather than the information super highway that we have today on which you can purchase any number of things and conduct any number of business transactions (and yes participate in virtual communities such as this), and we should continue to have in the future.
    You don't have to be excited by the idea of continued regulation from the government to ensure net neutrality, but it really is the only way it's going to continue to happen.

    Not liking the idea of government involvement isn't a position, it's just a place where many of your positions just happen to stem from. In the discussion of net neutrality, however, the belief against government involvement doesn't work, especially as in this case that particular involvement has demonstrated itself to be necessary and good.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    The unbridled hackery on the part of a few of the conservatives (and one so-called independent) on this thread is absolutely astounding.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... You do realize that laws regulating net neutrality have zero relevance in regards to the existence of monopolies... correct?
    You're the one that brought up monopolies, sport...not me. Now what's it going to be?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The unbridled hackery on the part of a few of the conservatives (and one so-called independent) on this thread is absolutely astounding.
    NCL's complaining about partisan hackery is the laugh of the century.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're exposing your weak debating skills again Fletch, better be careful. Not knowing what is the best way to ensure net neutrality does not make opposition to net neutrality any less of a ridiculous position. However, trying to argue that net neutrality in anyway resembles Obamacare when it's part of the well working system that's been around for 25 years is absolutely ludicrous.

    The fact that you think net neutrality means "change" when it's been what has actually been around for 25+ years is just laughable.
    Try to be a little less pompous. The change I was referring to was treating the web like a utility. And again, you haven't given a moments thought to the downside of doing such a thing. That is a mix of arrogance and foolishness.

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