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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll simplify it for you:

    - Net neutrality regards how you access content.
    - Support of net neutrality basically boils down to wanting to keep usage of the internet as it has been for the better part of the last 25 years. It's not broken, no need to fix it.
    - Opposition to net neutrality allows for the internet to be politicized by companies and local governments, it means arbitrary restrictions on how you access that content, it means giving additional power to existing regional monopolies.

    You don't have to agree on the best way to ensure net neutrality, however, the need for it is unquestionable. It ensures innovation and is an established check on monopolies.
    Thanks, doubt it's that simple. We've lived for25 years without it and nothing terribly nefarious is happening, well, other than Google's constant targeting me with advertising everything I search for something. I'm not sold but thanks for the effort.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't waste time on horse**** strawman arguments.
    LOL Its your horse**** argument. Its not my fault you think so little of your own positions. Maybe you ought to think them through a little better in the future.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll simplify it for you:

    - Net neutrality regards how you access content.
    - Support of net neutrality basically boils down to wanting to keep usage of the internet as it has been for the better part of the last 25 years. It's not broken, no need to fix it.
    - Opposition to net neutrality allows for the internet to be politicized by companies and local governments, it means arbitrary restrictions on how you access that content, it means giving additional power to existing regional monopolies.

    You don't have to agree on the best way to ensure net neutrality, however, the need for it is unquestionable. It ensures innovation and is an established check on monopolies.
    You know, I can agree with that.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    And what will that cost? And why should a provider be forced to treat your data preferentially when you wont pay for it?
    this will be the last horse**** argument of yours that i address.

    DP's data should be treated neutrally, like everyone else's. casting us into the slow lane will **** up the site, and even worse, it will prevent the next netflix, facebook, or twitter, as a startup generally can't afford to bribe a cable monopoly for preferential treatment. net neutrality is absolutely vital to maintaining a competitive and innovative internet marketplace.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Great! You are in favor of net neutrality then.

    (assuming "as is," you mean the way the internet has always worked, rather than what it has very recently changed to)
    If that be true, yes I am. I haven't followed it and only learned of it yesterday on some thread here. I was do busy with my election predictions and watching Barney Miller, all 8 seasons I recently received on DVD.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    In the article that the op linked to, Franken was quoted saying the following:

    “This is about reclassifying something so it stays the same. This would keep things exactly the same that they've been.”


    Is it just me, or did that sound like Franken just said that "The internet ain't broke, but the government needs to fix it anyway in order to transform the unbroken internet into the same unbroken internet it's always been."

    LMAO
    Typical double speak, just like a an increase in spending that's not as large as anticipated is a cut in spending. I don't take anything politicians say at face value.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    this will be the last horse**** argument of yours that i address.

    DP's data should be treated neutrally, like everyone else's. casting us into the slow lane will **** up the site, and even worse, it will prevent the next netflix, facebook, or twitter, as a startup generally can't afford to bribe a cable monopoly for preferential treatment. net neutrality is absolutely vital to maintaining a competitive and innovative internet marketplace.
    Waaaa

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    When it comes to cable / Internet / VOIP service, I guess I must be lucky. Really lucky.

    I have WideOpenWest, and for the around $100 / Mo. that I spend, I get the digital HD channel package that I like, with 2 dual channel cable cards in the 2 TiVo's that I've purchased separately, as well as 16Mb/sec down 1 Mb/sec up Internet AND VOIP phone service with voice mail (with CC to email) from them. This is down $60 / mo when we had the house phone line with AT&T.

    The Internet service is fast, and above all reliable. It's never down, the last time was like 2 years ago for a mere 30 minutes or something. I have my static IP address for hosting my personal domain, and they've never complained about my Linux firewall / mail / web server which connects the home network and the Internet.

    I know that one reason that the service is so reliable is that I saw the brand new cable plant that Americast in the neighborhood. WOW bought that cable plant from AmeriCast when it couldn't compete in the cable TV business Americast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. So I know that I have a very solid and clean cable plant on which my connection relies on. The installations were very well done. Little things like a small section of PVC pipe through which the coax was pulled, partially above ground, and partially below ground so that the weed whip wouldn't degrade the cable's insulation and fully shielded and fully grounded cable so there's less signal leakage and degradation.

    On the rare occasions that I do need to call WOW support, the phone is answered quickly, by a human, that speaks American (yeah, OK English), who knows what's going on and what to do to get me back on line, or what the status and when I can expect to have service restored. Really wonderful people to work with, and before each time I hang up, I make sure to tell them that they should tell their boss that I liked speaking to an American. Guess what? The TiVo guys are the same way, BTW. Also why I've been with them for some 10 years or more.

    All in all, I'd consider it a pretty decent package and a pretty decent experience. I'm not inclined to switch.

    If I weren't so pleased with WOW, I'd have a choice of Comcast or AT&T U-Verse, but since WOW is so good, and at the price I'm willing to pay, I've not bothered to switch, as I don't believe that I could get a static IP from either AT&T or ComCast, and I know that Comcast's service isn't nearly up to the same standards, probably because they have the oldest cable plant around.

    Now we have some friends that are on the opposite end of Detroit who also had WOW, but their experience isn't as good as mine. So how the municipality deals with the cable provider does in fact make a difference.
    This is great, but it has little to do with net neutrality. Quality of service isn't what's in question. The content you are able to access with that service is what is being debated. You live in Detroit right? I hear that's a Democratic stronghold. How would you like paying an additional 5$-10$ to access news sites with a right wing slant? Say you moved to an area where Comcast had a monopoly (thanks to local government), would you be alright with paying additional fees to play games, access netflix etc?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    LOL Its your horse**** argument. Its not my fault you think so little of your own positions. Maybe you ought to think them through a little better in the future.
    maybe you ought to learn to debate honestly rather than pretending that your opponent argued something that is easier to mount a hyperpartisan attack against.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Waaaa
    yep. i'm done wasting my time debating this topic with you.

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