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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The thing is and I stated it in my original post is that I know nothing about the act or the proposed law. I would be either taking Cruz's or Franken's word on it. That I am not willing to do. So until I find out more about it or do some research I won't come down on either side. But in the generic sense of a position, I am in favor of which ever side keeps the internet as is. If the law changes it, then I will be against it. If the law codifies the internet and ensures it stays the same, than I will be for that. Notice the phrase I will be.
    Great! You are in favor of net neutrality then.

    (assuming "as is," you mean the way the internet has always worked, rather than what it has very recently changed to)
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, you've definitely moved further from me. Yesterday you believed net neutrality was a brand new government regulation and immediately opposed it (without understanding what it was, of course) and claimed to want to keep the internet as it is. Once you learned it was old, however, you now can't wait to end it. You're not arguing about net neutrality, you're just letting your beliefs on government involvement override all the facts of this discussion, to the extent that you're willing to argue against your own interests.
    Meh. I was dead set against further regulations (granted from limited understanding at that time), and I've come over to a wait an see what develops, if there really is a problem. From where I sit, I think that's a bit more your way, really. A willingness to accept new or re-regulation should an abusive situation develop.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    When it comes to cable / Internet / VOIP service, I guess I must be lucky. Really lucky.

    I have WideOpenWest, and for the around $100 / Mo. that I spend, I get the digital HD channel package that I like, with 2 dual channel cable cards in the 2 TiVo's that I've purchased separately, as well as 16Mb/sec down 1 Mb/sec up Internet AND VOIP phone service with voice mail (with CC to email) from them. This is down $60 / mo when we had the house phone line with AT&T.

    The Internet service is fast, and above all reliable. It's never down, the last time was like 2 years ago for a mere 30 minutes or something. I have my static IP address for hosting my personal domain, and they've never complained about my Linux firewall / mail / web server which connects the home network and the Internet.

    I know that one reason that the service is so reliable is that I saw the brand new cable plant that Americast in the neighborhood. WOW bought that cable plant from AmeriCast when it couldn't compete in the cable TV business Americast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. So I know that I have a very solid and clean cable plant on which my connection relies on. The installations were very well done. Little things like a small section of PVC pipe through which the coax was pulled, partially above ground, and partially below ground so that the weed whip wouldn't degrade the cable's insulation and fully shielded and fully grounded cable so there's less signal leakage and degradation.

    On the rare occasions that I do need to call WOW support, the phone is answered quickly, by a human, that speaks American (yeah, OK English), who knows what's going on and what to do to get me back on line, or what the status and when I can expect to have service restored. Really wonderful people to work with, and before each time I hang up, I make sure to tell them that they should tell their boss that I liked speaking to an American. Guess what? The TiVo guys are the same way, BTW. Also why I've been with them for some 10 years or more.

    All in all, I'd consider it a pretty decent package and a pretty decent experience. I'm not inclined to switch.

    If I weren't so pleased with WOW, I'd have a choice of Comcast or AT&T U-Verse, but since WOW is so good, and at the price I'm willing to pay, I've not bothered to switch, as I don't believe that I could get a static IP from either AT&T or ComCast, and I know that Comcast's service isn't nearly up to the same standards, probably because they have the oldest cable plant around.

    Now we have some friends that are on the opposite end of Detroit who also had WOW, but their experience isn't as good as mine. So how the municipality deals with the cable provider does in fact make a difference.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So like everything else, this boils down to money. Liberals don't want to pay when they can get the state to get it for them for free. What else is new. So it is like Obamacare after all. Thanks for clearing this up.
    Oh, you're another one of those people who thinks that taxpayer-funded services are "free."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    because we can't afford to have our data treated preferentially.
    And what will that cost? And why should a provider be forced to treat your data preferentially when you wont pay for it?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh, you're another one of those people who thinks that taxpayer-funded services are "free."
    Are you one of those people who think that taxpayer funded services aren't free for some people?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Here's the truth. I don't understand the issue. I've read about it and it's so convoluted it's difficult to grasp what will change if it's implemented. Net neutrality has a nice ring to it but frankly I don't trust the government to do anything other take something we get for free and turn it into a revenue generator. If someone who actually has a thorough understanding of this issue, jump up.
    I'll simplify it for you:

    - Net neutrality regards how you access content.
    - Support of net neutrality basically boils down to wanting to keep usage of the internet as it has been for the better part of the last 25 years. It's not broken, no need to fix it.
    - Opposition to net neutrality allows for the internet to be politicized by companies and local governments, it means arbitrary restrictions on how you access that content, it means giving additional power to existing regional monopolies.

    You don't have to agree on the best way to ensure net neutrality, however, the need for it is unquestionable. It ensures innovation and is an established check on monopolies.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Are you one of those people who think that taxpayer funded services aren't free for some people?
    Did you read that link? It's not what you are describing here.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    By using the word "Obamacare" Cruz manipulated you flawlessly. The result is you're arguing against your own interests and you refuse to learn what the topic is about.
    Oh please, Democrats get manipulated, not intelligent folk.

    How's that "you can keep your plan..." thingy working out for you? You know what, if you hadn't had your ears covered with propaganda you would have heard Mr. Cruz clearly state that "millions" would be forced into less efficient but more costly plans.

    Seems HE was right while Obama was outright lying.

    I repeat, no one with a functioning brain would believe this bull****, or any other than oozes out of the White House basement.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So like everything else, this boils down to money. Liberals don't want to pay when they can get the state to get it for them for free. What else is new. So it is like Obamacare after all. Thanks for clearing this up.
    i don't waste time on horse**** strawman arguments.

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