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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    What makes it so great? And, BTW, that's what you all told us about Obamacare...jus' sayin'.
    Net neutrality encourages innovation, competition, and entrepreneurship on the internet.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    There's already a law to quell monopolies. Why a new law?
    ... The law won't quell monopolies either. Actually, ensuring net neutrality has nothing to do with quelling monopolies. It has to do with ensuring that the monopolies which already exist (and will not go away) aren't allowed to charge content providers and customers a second time. It's about ensuring content providers aren't held hostage by ISPs. Good grief, discussing this issue with you is like discussing media distribution strategies with a journalist from the 1840s. You're either too ignorant of the subject to actually discuss it in any depth or the political implications of the discussion go way above your head. Which is it?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... The law won't quell monopolies either. Actually, ensuring net neutrality has nothing to do with quelling monopolies. It has to do with ensuring that the monopolies which already exist (and will not go away) aren't allowed to charge content providers and customers a second time. It's about ensuring content providers aren't held hostage by ISPs. Good grief, discussing this issue with you is like discussing media distribution strategies with a journalist from the 1840s. You're either too ignorant of the subject to actually discuss it in any depth or the political implications of the discussion go way above your head. Which is it?
    You said it was about monopolies. It isn't?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    You said it was about monopolies. It isn't?
    He didn't say that. He said they exist.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    What makes it so great? And, BTW, that's what you all told us about Obamacare...jus' sayin'.
    Think of it this way apdst...

    Now, imagine you like accessing websites for singles who like to mingle. Now, with net neutrality, your access to those websites isn't restricted. The way you access that data isn't restricted in any way. That's net neutrality.

    Now, imagine for one second, your ISP doesn't like net neutrality and it's in bed with the local government. Now imagine that local government is Democrat. You want to access white supremacist websites? Be ready to deal with slow service.

    Now, imagine one last time, you enjoy visiting DP a lot. No net neutrality? It now falls under a package called "News and Politics" and you're paying extra for access to DP.

    Now, of these 3 options, which one would you prefer?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Eohrnberger, yesterday you had this to say, when you didn't know that net neutrality had existed all this time due to FCC regulations:

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Net Neutrality regulations are not new? Reclassifying ISPs as utilities is not new? Sorry, but that is new.

    The Internet is working just fine as it is and requires no further government regulations to screw it up. Often, such as in this case, more government regulation isn't the best and only answer.
    So what I would like to know is, how did you get from "the internet is working just fine as it is" to

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    But you see. I'm less than convinced that this is rally the case, and am willing to see what develops in this space over the next period of time.
    Why did you feel the internet was fine as it is one moment, and then be happy to see what would happen if it changed the next? What happened between yesterday and today?
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You said it was about monopolies. It isn't?
    I didn't say that at all, please stop lying. I acknowledged monopolies exist, and giving them the power to do away with net neutrality is not a positive for innovation. That doesn't make net neutrality about monopolies. Net neutrality is about access to content.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I didn't say that at all, please stop lying. I acknowledged monopolies exist, and giving them the power to do away with net neutrality is not a positive for innovation. That doesn't make net neutrality about monopolies. Net neutrality is about access to content.
    If monopolies exist, there are laws to take care of that, like I said.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Seriously, how do you know that?
    because we can't afford to have our data treated preferentially.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Then why don't you share with us why internet service providers not only sued the FCC to end net neutrality but also paid congressmen $762,000 in lobbying efforts against net neutrality? And why don't you share with us why, if the internet "isn't broken and doesn't need to be fixed," (your words, do you recall them?) you're now arguing for the internet to be fixed? And why don't you share with us how the end of net neutrality is good for you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Eohrnberger, yesterday you had this to say, when you didn't know that net neutrality had existed all this time due to FCC regulations:



    So what I would like to know is, how did you get from "the internet is working just fine as it is" to



    Why did you feel the internet was fine as it is one moment, and then be happy to see what would happen if it changed the next? What happened between yesterday and today?

    Yes, I did post that. At that time, it was based on what I knew at the time.
    Chatting in these forums, I've come to learn more about it, and I've come your way a bit, as you can see; (dare I say that you [and others] are having an effect on me? )

    I suppose you might say that my position is evolving based on the new information that I've gotten from the forums, and researched on my own in the between time.

    I mean, isn't that the real purpose behind these forums? Exchange information, test your position by defending it, and keeping an open mind, willing to accept and evaluate new information?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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