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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    To someone who speaks English it is.
    Ah... so to someone who speaks English... not bringing up a challenge is.. a challenge? Hm. Odd.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This not-actually-new law would require that FedEx deliver a 1 pound box for the same rate regardless of the content. I.E. they can't charge you double to ship a 1 pound Android phone versus a 1 pound Apple phone. This means Apple and Android phones have a level playing field in terms of delivery. And then when DeucePhones are invented, the new hotness in phones, my would-be startup is not hamstrung by FedEx because I can't yet afford the extortion fees.

    It's a rough analogy. I guess we'll have to also assume identical size of the box, and identical shipping routes? (i.e FedEx would certainly charge you more to ship from Minnesota to France than Minnesota to Iowa) There's also not a very good analogy for data transfer rates. "I paid for 2-day air mail, so they can't slow down the Android phone to 5-day shipping just because Google didn't pay them enough"
    But FedEx does that sort of thing now. Large customers get a discount where individuals that drop off a box at FedEx office pay a much higher rate. That is how things work. Should FedEx be regulated as a utility as well?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'd rather my taxes go to a national system of free internet service than government funded condom drives. However, we're a nation that doesn't really understand why freedom to access to content at the speed you paid for is more important than getting laid. So I doubt that would ever happen. One can dream though!
    So the circle is now complete, WRT ObamaCare for the Internet, as I believe this is a request for 'single payer Internet'.

    Actually, I too understand and appreciate why freedom to access content at speed is more important than getting laid. All the more reason to carefully consider this decision, the proposed regulations, and the near and longer term impact of them.

    Frankly, I don't trust the government any more than I trust the large ISPs, but I've heard of large scale ISPs going bankrupt and leaving the market. I've never heard of government regulation being decreased in any significant way.

    I'll take my chances with the large ISPs for now. If continued abuse piles up, as you and other believe is bound to happen, then there's still time to get the government involved to regulate it.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're right, the definition of net neutrality makes it so.



    It's like you're not even sure why you joined the discussion. I argued that Ted Cruz's position of net neutrality being Obamacare for the internet is false. Why? Because net neutrality has nothing to do with overregulation. If anything, it has to do with lack of regulation by both the monopolies in existence AND the government. Now, what the government wants to do in regards to guaranteeing net neutrality has nothing to do with what net neutrality means and why opposition to it is wrong. Do you get that? Good.
    So you cant or wont answer those two specific questions then?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So the circle is now complete, WRT ObamaCare for the Internet, as I believe this is a request for 'single payer Internet'.

    Actually, I too understand and appreciate why freedom to access content at speed is more important than getting laid. All the more reason to carefully consider this decision, the proposed regulations, and the near and longer term impact of them.

    Frankly, I don't trust the government any more than I trust the large ISPs, but I've heard of large scale ISPs going bankrupt and leaving the market. I've never heard of government regulation being decreased in any significant way.

    I'll take my chances with the large ISPs for now. If continued abuse piles up, as you and other believe is bound to happen, then there's still time to get the government involved to regulate it.
    So you don't like the internet as it is?

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Once the government puts it thumb on the scale, neutrality disappears. Net neutrality could turn out to be as accurate as the Affordable Care Act. Sounds great, but inaccurate as hell.
    And I believe that this concern is far more significant and valid than the other.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But FedEx does that sort of thing now. Large customers get a discount where individuals that drop off a box at FedEx office pay a much higher rate. That is how things work. Should FedEx be regulated as a utility as well?
    Like I said, it's a rough analogy. Best I can fit your situation to the internet, the ISP can offer lower per-GB rates for bulk customers. I.E. if DeuceCorp needs a monthly data transfer of 100TB, I can certainly work out a better per-GB rate than Grandma and her 3.5mb monthly emailing of recipes. Such a thing is allowed under net neutrality. As is "the 1gb/sec line costs more than the 10mb/sec line." Or "500gb/month costs more than 100gb/month."

    Unlawful data transfer is wholly excluded, so Comcast would have no particular obligation to provide speedy transfer of pirated music or whatever.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    I said yesterday that once Cruz packaged net neutrality as a libertarian-vs-statist issue you could hear every conservative's brain instantly slam shut. And I said that the motive for this was to have us so busy screaming at each other that the attention would be taken off of the isps and they'd walk away victorious and counting our money. Can I call it or what?

    It depresses me to think how easy it is to manipulate the public into arguing against its own interests.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Says the hack whose foray into this discussion was a smilie. Look sport, either address my specific posts or stop responding to me. You add nothing. Absolutely nothing to any discussion.
    Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better at night, champ.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I said yesterday that once Cruz packaged net neutrality as a libertarian-vs-statist issue you could hear every conservative's brain instantly slam shut. And I said that the motive for this was to have us so busy screaming at each other that the attention would be taken off of the isps and they'd walk away victorious and counting our money. Can I call it or what?

    It depresses me to think how easy it is to manipulate the public into arguing against its own interests.
    It certainly seems like you were rather prescient.
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