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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This isn't a conservative-vs-liberal issue. Net neutrality is good for everybody.
    Once the government puts it thumb on the scale, neutrality disappears. Net neutrality could turn out to be as accurate as the Affordable Care Act. Sounds great, but inaccurate as hell.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Sure, I guess so. That isn't my question. My question is, what will treating them as utilities do as far as unforeseen consequences and why is that the best possible solution?
    If your response is "sure, I guess so" then re-regulating the internet is how that would be preserved.

    My question is, what will treating them as utilities do as far as unforeseen consequences and why is that the best possible solution?
    It would protect net neutrality and preserve the way you've been using the internet.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You know, I can always count on you to enter in the middle of a discussion and add exactly zero. Keep up the good work.
    At least I know what the **** net neutrality is. And, as per usual, any discussion with you turns into taking childish potshots at liberals. Keep on hackin'.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

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    So your challenge wasn't to actually challenge anything in discussion? Mmkay.
    To someone who speaks English it is.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Once the government puts it thumb on the scale, neutrality disappears. Net neutrality could turn out to be as accurate as the Affordable Care Act. Sounds great, but inaccurate as hell.
    Up until last January the government had its thumb on the scale and you didn't even know it. It was regulation that resulted in net neutrality, and thus in the way you've been enjoying the use of the internet to now.

    You need to educate yourself on what net neutrality even is.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    OK, continue with that analogy then. What does this new law do to FedEx?
    This not-actually-new law would require that FedEx deliver a 1 pound box for the same rate regardless of the content. I.E. they can't charge you double to ship a 1 pound Android phone versus a 1 pound Apple phone. This means Apple and Android phones have a level playing field in terms of delivery. And then when DeucePhones are invented, the new hotness in phones, my would-be startup is not hamstrung by FedEx because I can't yet afford the extortion fees.

    It's a rough analogy. I guess we'll have to also assume identical size of the box, and identical shipping routes? (i.e FedEx would certainly charge you more to ship from Minnesota to France than Minnesota to Iowa) There's also not a very good analogy for data transfer rates. "I paid for 2-day air mail, so they can't slow down the Android phone to 5-day shipping just because Google didn't pay them enough"
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The fact that Sen. Franken wants to keep net neutrality the way it is, agreed upon by Helix, versus Sen. Cruz who sides with
    Time-warner and Comcast in creating fast lanes and charging for it, tells me all I need to know.

    Pulling this "I don't trust" card out every time two members from different parties disagree is ridiculous.
    Good luck with the GOP screwing up your internet due to their beholding to their corporate maters .

    And Cruz using the word Obamacare saying "Obamacare for the internet" is right up your alley .
    Fact is Franken is too far left for me and Cruz too far right. I stand by my original post.
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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    At least I know what the **** net neutrality is. And, as per usual, any discussion with you turns into taking childish potshots at liberals. Keep on hackin'.
    Says the hack whose foray into this discussion was a smilie. Look sport, either address my specific posts or stop responding to me. You add nothing. Absolutely nothing to any discussion.

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    Re: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No. You saying so doesn't make it so.
    You're right, the definition of net neutrality makes it so.

    Wont treating them as utilities make them subject to the same type of regulations as other utilities? And again, why is this the best solution to the problem you seem to think exists?
    It's like you're not even sure why you joined the discussion. I argued that Ted Cruz's position of net neutrality being Obamacare for the internet is false. Why? Because net neutrality has nothing to do with overregulation. If anything, it has to do with lack of regulation by both the monopolies in existence AND the government. Now, what the government wants to do in regards to guaranteeing net neutrality has nothing to do with what net neutrality means and why opposition to it is wrong. Do you get that? Good.
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