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Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense' [W:406]

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grip said:
Watch his comments to Megyn Kelly:







Will Congress try to impeach a President for using executive power to make sweeping immigration law changes, and is it warranted?
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If the president carries out this threat, I would wait and see what the people think. Polls have been conflicting at times on this issue. One poll says 63% of Americans are against the president acting along on amnesty. Yet on the same day another poll showed 51% of Americans in favor of amnesty. Which is it?

As for impeachment, for impeachment to work the public has to be for it. Without the public approval it is bound to fail. Failure will give the Republicans another black eye like they got in their attempt to impeach President Clinton. In fact I think Obama would like nothing better than for the House to take up impeachment.

Let the president go ahead, let the chips fall where they may and see how the American people react. There are other ways to deal with executive over reach. Keep in mind, impeachment is overthrowing an election result. If it is attempted, you better be darn sure the president has done something real horrible to warrant it and the people realize he has done something so horrible they want him out of office.

Outside of that, take him to court, defund his initiatives, perhaps even a censure.
 
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Republicans have a short memory over executive actions taken by Presidents of their own GOP with respect to immigration .
Perotista said:
If the president carries out this threat, I would wait and see what the people think. Polls have been conflicting at times on this issue. One poll says 63% of Americans are against the president acting along on amnesty. Yet on the same day another poll showed 51% of Americans in favor of amnesty. Which is it?

As for impeachment, for impeachment to work the public has to be for it. Without the public approval it is bound to fail. Failure will give the Republicans another black eye like they got in their attempt to impeach President Clinton. In fact I think Obama would like nothing better than for the House to take up impeachment.

Let the president go ahead, let the chips fall where they may and see how the American people react. There are other ways to deal with executive over reach. Keep in mind, impeachment is overthrowing an election result. If it is attempted, you better be darn sure the president has done something real horrible to warrant it and the people realize he has done something so horrible they want him out of office.

Outside of that, take him to court, defund his initiatives, perhaps even a censure.
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shrubnose said:
Bull.

Do a little research. Most of the people who will write G.W.Bush's history, grade his performance and teach lessons about him are liberals who have a very poor opinion of him.

Bush will ultimately be rated mighty close to the bottom.

Wait and see.
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Correct, the decision to invade Iraq was a very poor one. Almost 5000 dead troops, tens of thousands with life altering injuries, suicides and the money taken from the treasury. And of course the financial meltdown that occurred under his watch.
 
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Ockham said:
There are many other ways to kill off anything Obama wants to put forward, instead of impeaching him. Impeachment is what Obama wants I believe. Best to keep his EO's unfunded, and simply make him wear out his veto pen - or if he doesn't want to veto - let the bills pile up on his desk. His legacy will continue to drop like a stone - Republicans look great because they keep passing bills and Obama either veto's them or won't sign them. Unless Obama actually commits outright treason, impeachment shouldn't be on the table.
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Agreed. Obama is a failed president that has two years left in his inconsequential term. Republicans have won the right to control the agenda and have two years to demonstrate that the voters made the right decision in giving them total control of congress. To bottle up that congress with impeachment would be a tremendous waste. They should pass what they want to pass and let Nobama veto everything. His obstructionism will only damage his legacy and dash any hope for a dem to succeed him
 
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pbrauer said:
Correct, the decision to invade Iraq was a very poor one. Almost 5000 dead troops, tens of thousands with life altering injuries, suicides and the money taken from the treasury. And of course the financial meltdown that occurred under his watch.
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You are right, I don't think Bush will be rated very high. But I guarantee he will rate above Obama. I think even Carter will.
 
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What has this GOP House done with immigration reform since coming to power in 2011? Exactly zero. Boehner hasn't been able to get 218 votes out of his own caucus on anything important since losing the grand bargain in 2011, no matter who you blame. And try answering my post next time instead of your diversions or don't bother .
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Boehner Will Fight ‘Tooth and Nail’ Against Obama’s Executive Amnesty, Doesn’t Rule Out Shutdown (Updated) (Video).....
Speaker John A. Boehner said Republicans will fight “tooth and nail” against President Barack Obama’s plans to act on immigration by himself, and didn’t rule out a government shutdown.

“We’re going to fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path,” the Ohio Republican said at a press conference introducing the new GOP leadership team. “This is the wrong way to govern. This is exactly what the American people said on Election Day they didn’t want. And so, all the options are on the table.”

Boehner is facing pressure from conservatives to pre-emptively defund any amnesty, but that could lead to a shutdown fight......snip~

Immigration News: Boehner Will Fight 'Tooth and Nail' Against Obama's Executive Amnesty

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NIMBY said:
What has this GOP House done with immigration reform since coming to power in 2011? Exactly zero. Boehner hasn't been able to get 218 votes out of his own caucus on anything important since losing the grand bargain in 2011, no matter who you blame. And try answering my post next time instead of your diversions or don't bother .
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The congress failing to act on a particular issue doesn't empower the president to go ahead without them. Congress writes the laws. The president is supposed to faithfully execute them, not take matters into his own hands. That is how kings and tyrants do things.
 
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Fletch said:
The congress failing to act on a particular issue doesn't empower the president to go ahead without them. Congress writes the laws. The president is supposed to faithfully execute them, not take matters into his own hands. That is how kings and tyrants do things.
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Oh comon now. Progressives can't understand that old piece of paper and those written rules in the Constitution. Isn't that only a guideline anyway? If Congress doesn't do what the President likes he can just do it for them - that's the new normal. What's Congress gonna do about it? Impeach him? He'll just put out an EO that says "The President calls it, with no backsies, that Congress cannot impeach him. Neener neener!"

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eohrnberger said:
You are aware that he's a quadriplegic? May explain your perception that he doesn't 'do anything'.
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Yes. Not that it matters, but I think he is a para and not a quad.

Actually, Kauthammer won a Pulitzer some time back. If I gave the impression that I believe Kauthammer doesn't do anything it was not my intent and certainly not because of his disability. I am a firm believer that people with disabilities are more limited by the attitudes of other people than by their disability.
 
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pbrauer said:
Correct, the decision to invade Iraq was a very poor one. Almost 5000 dead troops, tens of thousands with life altering injuries, suicides and the money taken from the treasury. And of course the financial meltdown that occurred under his watch.
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Iraq resolution was bi-partisan and Clintons mandates via his 1995 long list of executive orders created the Subprime mortgage crisis.
 
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The will of the people means nothing to Obama. He didn't get the message election night and thinks some people are so stupid they will support his liberal policies no matter how unpopular they are even when he lies to get his way, e.g. Obamacare.

He's right; some in this thread have proven that.
 
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Fenton said:
Iraq resolution was bi-partisan and Clintons mandates via his 1995 long list of executive orders created the Subprime mortgage crisis.
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That's bull****.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Yes. Not that it matters, but I think he is a para and not a quad.
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You are correct. I knew it was a neck injury while diving into water, so I incorrectly concluded that he was quad, but no, he's para.

Risky Thicket said:
Actually, Kauthammer won a Pulitzer some time back. If I gave the impression that I believe Kauthammer doesn't do anything it was not my intent and certainly not because of his disability. I am a firm believer that people with disabilities are more limited by the attitudes of other people than by their disability.
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True. Now just need to let these people actually 'do', instead of intervening and interfering without their consent.

Now, you still think that Dr. Krauthammer is like a little annoying dog yapping all the time. Do please continue.
 
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eohrnberger said:
You are correct. I knew it was a neck injury while diving into water, so I incorrectly concluded that he was quad, but no, he's para.
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Thanks for clearing that up. I remember having seen him on television eons ago and I remember him as being a para. I wasn't sure.

True. Now just need to let these people actually 'do', instead of intervening and interfering without their consent.
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If I may go off topic for a second: Because of the rapid pace of technological development many more people today and perhaps most will have a disability before they die. Certainly damn near every American will be directly affected by someone in their family having a disability. Used to be people just died. Not so anymore. Assistive technology and durable medical equipment are enabling people with disabilities to have much more "normal" lives than even 25 years ago. More and more of everyday life is accessible to people with disabilities. Attitudes of able bodied people, however, haven't yet caught up to speed with technology. (Militant disabled people often refer to able bodied people as TABS - "temporarily able bodied" - because most able bodied people will be disabled before they die.)

Now, you still think that Dr. Krauthammer is like a little annoying dog yapping all the time. Do please continue.
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Yeah, I do.
 
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NIMBY said:
Republicans have a short memory over executive actions taken by Presidents of their own GOP with respect to immigration .
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I don't remember any, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. I hate the idea of impeachment. Let the president do his thing, the people will either approve of it, disapprove of it or be indifferent. I actually think Obama would welcome it. If he looked back at Clinton's impeachment, he would see at the beginning Bill was at 57% approval, not an ideal time to begin impeachment proceedings as the people were not with the Republicans. When it was over and done, Clinton had a 65% approval rating. I don't have party favorability ratings from back then, but I bet the Republicans approval ratings drop quite a bit.

But Obama is not Clinton and his approval ratings are 17 points below Bill's. But still, one has to wonder if the Republicans ever learn anything from history. If the people think he over reached this authority they will let him know. Right now there is a lot of people dissatisfied with him, but dissatisfaction does not warrant impeachment.
 
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Paschendale said:
Impeachment requires an actual crime or an act directly in conflict with the president's duty to work for the good of the nation and the American people. Arguably going beyond his authority in order to actually do some governing when congress won't is hardly either of those. Congress is welcome to attempt to rein in presidential power via legislation or constitutional amendment, but it would have to apply to the office itself, not just this president that they don't like.
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The constitutional amendment is already there it is called the separation of powers. in fact it is designed by the writers of the constitution to stop exactly what Obama is doing.
he doesn't have the power to go beyond his authority regardless of what congress is doing. that is the whole point of the separation of powers.

The president has no authority to change immigration law. at most he can clear up any ambiguity that exists but since there is little of that he cannot stop deportations, nor can he order what he is wanting to order without congressional approval.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
If I gave the impression that I believe Kauthammer doesn't do anything it was not my intent
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Thanks for clarifying that. It's because you did not intend to give the impression that you believe Krauthammer doesn't do anything that you compared him to a little dog that sits on the porch and "doesn't do anything . . . ." Sounds like you've been studying Speaker Pelosi's rhetorical techniques.
 
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pbrauer said:
No thanks, I've seen enough of fenton's crap.
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Having fact checked much of his posts on the collapse, well, not so much BS.

But as you will.
 
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matchlight said:
Thanks for clarifying that. It's because you did not intend to give the impression that you believe Krauthammer doesn't do anything that you compared him to a little dog that sits on the porch and "doesn't do anything . . . ." Sounds like you've been studying Speaker Pelosi's rhetorical techniques.
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Sit, and be quiet.
 
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pbrauer said:
You fact checked his posts?
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Yes I did. His posts contained information that I'd not previously heard or read, so I wanted to verify their veracity, and yes, his facts came up from what I would consider reliable and reference sources, far more often than not.
 
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