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Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense' [W:406]

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mak2 said:
When I think of partisan hack I think of Krauthammer.
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Exactly. He's as big of a hack as there is. Total right wing whack job. He and Bill Kristol are nut jobs.
 
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You can legally prioritize under the law. It's a long admitted grey area.

Think of it like speeding. Its well within acceptability for a cop to ignore someone going 3 or 4 miles over the speed limit, despite that being illegal, and focus instead on those going over 10 miles an hour. The reason for this is an assumption of a limit resource (the cops time) and thus focusing that limited resource on the most importantt aspects.

This is how the obama administration was able to get away with focusing enforcement on only those who are arrested for an ancillary felony, as it's simply prioritizing "limited resources" towards dealing with "higher risk" violators of the law.
 
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shrubnose said:
Fifty years from now most historians will be just as liberal as they are now.

What they write about Bush will be colored by their liberalism.
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Well, at least you admit that it won't be a fair hearing in that forum.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Umm. Riiigght.

Former President George W. Bush's Image Ratings Improve

Now, if you are talking about the left wing extremist academia who write history books for a living and contribute very little else of value to society, then you may be right. :mrgreen:
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That's much of the body of historians. There's an interrelationship yet also a distinction between public perception of the past and historian's view of the past. Largely the public relies on its information coming from the body of work produced by historians. Until that body of work becomes substantial in number, there will be a more significant division between public perception and the body of work from historians. The public is also slower in adjusting to the body of work produced by historians (probably by a generation or more). Much of it eventually trickles down.
 
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Actually, I didn't think that Krauthammer was advocating impeachment, but rather denying funding and appointments.

One thing that really struck me as an interesting scenario that he played out was when the new AG comes before congress, why not ask her how far Obama can go?
Why not ask her what would be an impeachable offense?

Ask her all the questions that strengthen the Republican's positions, decisions, and actions . . . provided that you know the answers ahead of time. . . no sense in repeating mistakes like that yet again as has been done before.

Of course, I wouldn't expect any of that testimony to get any sort of fair amount of airtime, but still. . . . an interesting idea.
 
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That Obama fella is a hard one to figure out.

1st, it is said that he has deported more illegal aliens than any president before him, even as the estimated number of illegal aliens were falling.

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2nd, he has placed more Border Patrol Agents/ICE etc., in order to keep them out in the first place.

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More border security and patrols under Obama than previous presidents, says Debbie Wasserman Schultz | PolitiFact Florida


3rd, He has thrown more money on border control than ever before....

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Now, all of a sudden, he wants to act like Ronnie Reagan and grant them amnesty?

A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR

This just don't add up.

I mean, I see no reason that he would want to suck up to the latino vote because he can't run again. You think maybe he wants to be a movie star like Bonzo?

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tres borrachos said:
I really, really, REALLY hope the GOP doesn't make any attempt to impeach Obama.
I respect Krauthammer very much, but I oppose the notion of impeachment
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If Obama leaves office before the end of his term Biden would replace him.
 
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shrubnose said:
Bull.

Do a little research. Most of the people who will write G.W.Bush's history, grade his performance and teach lessons about him are liberals who have a very poor opinion of him.

Bush will ultimately be rated mighty close to the bottom.

Wait and see.
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Sorry - I wasn't referring to how academia would view the two Presidents, but how the American people would view the two Presidents.
 
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This impeachment thing is just another fantasy. keeps them fired up, and not thinking...
shrubnose said:
If Obama leaves office before the end of his term Biden would replace him.
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shrubnose said:
If Obama leaves office before the end of his term Biden would replace him.
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But if Biden left as well, Boehner would step up. Hey, I'm starting to like this a little. Once Boehner was in place, surely Eric Cantor would mount a rebellion because the Speakership was to be his if only, if only...
 
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eohrnberger said:
Well, at least you admit that it won't be a fair hearing in that forum.
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I'm not 'admitting it' - I'm proclaiming it.

Liberal historians can't be expected to write praise for someone like Bush. That's just not going to happen.
 
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Captain America said:
That Obama fella is a hard one to figure out.

1st, it is said that he has deported more illegal aliens than any president before him, even as the estimated number of illegal aliens were falling.

deportation%20chart%20updated%20Oct%202010.jpg


2nd, he has placed more Border Patrol Agents/ICE etc., in order to keep them out in the first place.

BorderFig3.jpg


More border security and patrols under Obama than previous presidents, says Debbie Wasserman Schultz | PolitiFact Florida


3rd, He has thrown more money on border control than ever before....

View attachment 67175908

Now, all of a sudden, he wants to act like Ronnie Reagan and grant them amnesty?

A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR

This just don't add up.

I mean, I see no reason that he would want to suck up to the latino vote because he can't run again. You think maybe he wants to be a movie star like Bonzo?

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That's actually a cheap shot at Reagan. Reagan's only problem was that he trusted Congress to do the enforcement/border security piece and Congress dumped that part of the plan as soon as they got amnesty through. It's why Republicans in Congress now are insistent upon the border security part being done before any amnesty talk gets started.
 
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HogWash said:
When I think of Krauthammer I think of an incredibly intelligent and educated human being.
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...who is also a partisan hack!
 
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shrubnose said:
I'm not 'admitting it' - I'm proclaiming it.

Liberal historians can't be expected to write praise for someone like Bush. That's just not going to happen.
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I think you are also identifying how detrimental a mono-culture is.
In this case, a mono-culture of liberal historians that can't manage to set aside their ideology when writing their books on history.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I think you are also identifying how detrimental a mono-culture is.
In this case, a mono-culture of liberal historians that can't manage to set aside their ideology when writing their books on history.
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Not that we could credit those such as yourselves being able to do the same.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I really, really, REALLY hope the GOP doesn't make any attempt to impeach Obama. I respect Krauthammer very much, but I oppose the notion of impeachment.
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I hope it won't be necessary to use it, too, because it could backfire. But I think a credible threat has to be maintained to restrain this President--he has to be made to believe Republicans might use it if he goes too far. And continuing to discuss it seriously makes it harder for him to be quite sure he's home free.
 
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matchlight said:
Funny you mention that. That same image often comes to mind when I hear leftist dim bulbs yammering.
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I agree regarding dim bulbs, however:

1. I'm an Independent, not a partisan hack, and thus I do not feel compelled to support or defend anyone on either side of the isle out of blind and misguided loyalty. I don't generally agree with extremists on either side of the political spectrum. I understand that you. I can live with it.

2. You apparently don't know it but Krauthhammer is not a dim bulb. He is an very well educated person.
 
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If the extreme right-wing wants to energize the democratic base, let them impeach Obama.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
I agree regarding dim bulbs, however: 1. I'm an Independent, not a partisan hack, and thus I do not feel compelled to support or defend anyone on either side of the isle out of blind and misguided loyalty. I don't generally agree with extremists on either side of the political spectrum. I understand that you. I can live with it.
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Neither what you imagine you understand about my views or what you can live with interests me.

2. You apparently don't know it but Krauthhammer is not a dim bulb. He is an very well educated person.
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I've known about Dr. Krauthammer's education and background for quite a few years. And your pretense that I was including him among the leftist dim bulbs is lame.
 
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shrubnose said:
Fifty years from now most historians will be just as liberal as they are now.

What they write about Bush will be colored by their liberalism.
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If, in fact, there is a 50 years from now...
 
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tres borrachos said:
I really, really, REALLY hope the GOP doesn't make any attempt to impeach Obama. I respect Krauthammer very much, but I oppose the notion of impeachment.
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I don't think Krauthammer is advocating impeachment. Anyway, I agree with Zyphlin that impeachment talk is premature.

But I do expect the President, any President, to express the will of "we, the people." What I don't expect is a deliberate and brazen provocation. Will be interesting to see if the GOP falls for it.
 
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Texmex said:
...who is also a partisan hack!
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He is decidedly partisan, yes. But a lot of people are. That doesn't make them not intelligent and educated. Krauthammer is both.
 
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nota bene said:
I don't think Krauthammer is advocating impeachment. Anyway, I agree with Zyphlin that impeachment talk is premature.

But I do expect the President, any President, to express the will of "we, the people." What I don't expect is a deliberate and brazen provocation. Will be interesting to see if the GOP falls for it.
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Obama will bait them. And i don't want them to fall for it, especially this early.
 
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MMC said:
Heya Grip. :2wave: Do you think this is the one that gets BO in trouble?


The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...0-point-immigration-plan-via-exec-action.html
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Do you think the GOP and GOP sheeple would really rather have Joe Biden as President?

Biden can't make things much worse, but it is possible that Biden could make things better. He could become "likable Joe " whom more Americans trust than Obama. Honestly, it wouldn't be difficult for Biden to be someone more Americans trust than any of the probable candidates in the GOP stable. Biden could, IMHO, be someone people would trust a lot more than Hillary. Given a bit of luck, as a President running for re-election Biden might have some advantages over Hillary.

There really isn't a "GOP". You have many factions and those factions do not often get along with each other. Even the Tea Party within the GOP is not really a group of people with a unified voice. Most of the GOP doesn't like the Tea Party. Krauthammer is a Neoconservative. He is not the voice of the GOP but rather a voice from within a very mixed herd.

I cannot imagine establishment GOP leaders wanting to wade through the public spectacle of an impeachment hearing. It would be a huge gamble and the party could lose big. Fortunately not all leaders in the GOP are neocons.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I really, really, REALLY hope the GOP doesn't make any attempt to impeach Obama. I respect Krauthammer very much, but I oppose the notion of impeachment.
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I think that is what Krauthammer proffered.

exerpt from O'Reilly's show.

When O’Reilly raised impeachment as a response to Obama’s order for amnesty, Krauthammer said that would be the wrong move.

“This is time for Republicans to be very disciplined. They won the election because they were disciplined. They stayed on message. They made it a referendum on Obama,” he said.

“And they won,” he said. “What they have to do now is to go from being the party of no to the party with an agenda.”

He said a goal is to pass bills to help America, demonstrating how different the GOP majority is from Obama, and send them to the president.

“The prize here is not the impeachment of Obama and the curtailing of his term by three months. The prize is winning the White House in 2016 and changing the country,” he said.

He said Congress’ reaction to a unilateral move by Obama on immigration should be to defund the programs, encourage private legal challenges and make it clear that any executive order would be canceled by an incoming president in 2017.

Krauthammer: ‘Seething’ Obama would welcome impeachment
 
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