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Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense' [W:406]

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It's really not too difficult.

If all he does is basically directs executive branches to selectively focus enforcement of the law against violators within a certian category, essentially denying enforcement of it against anyone that doesn't fall into the previous category, or actively excuses the violations of the law of people in this country then it's not likely grounds for impeachment as it's arguable that it's within his scope as the Presidency.

There's legitimate arguments there that the scope is beyond what should be allowed, there's legitimate arguments for a SCOTUS challenge, there's legitimate arguments about the precedence such action may set...but you'd be hard pressed to have an honest and clear argument for impeachment.

If he actively grants anyone here illegally in any fashion, whether they were brought here as a child or came as an adult, naturalization or a pathway to naturalization then there would be a legitimate argument for impeachment on the basis of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution and based on the SCOTUS decision penned by Justice Jackson which indicated the Presidents power with executive actions is at its lowest when its against the implied or expressed will of congress (it clearly would be) is at it's lowest.

Until he actually puts forward his action there's absolutely no way to know which direction he ends up going.
 
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grip said:
I have to agree with Zyphlin that it will depend on how far he uses executive orders to change the current rules on immigration. He's telling the House that if they don't pass something of significance before 2015, he will. It's not realistic to round up and ship 11+ million people back over the border.
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Heya Grip. :2wave: Do you think this is the one that gets BO in trouble?


The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...0-point-immigration-plan-via-exec-action.html
 
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Fearandloathing said:
He already is considered the worst president in modern times....
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So was the last President....and the President before him..and the President before him..and the President before him..and the President before him, and so was Nixon.

With that kind of track record, should we really think it's true or should we think it is premature fantasy?

The latter is the saner choice. The former is the choice of the moron.
 
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grip said:
Watch his comments to Megyn Kelly:



Will Congress try to impeach a President for using executive power to make sweeping immigration law changes, and is it warranted?
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;)

Sessions: Obama's Executive Action is a Threat to Constitutional Order

Senator Jeff Sessions, who has been warning about what the White House might do on the issue of illegal immigration for years, made an appearance on The Kelly File to discuss new developments. During the interview, Sessions explained that President Obama not only lacks the authority to do what is outlined in a released plan, but it's against the law.

"Fundamentally the President has no authority to do this, it's against the law," Sessions said. "Congress can stop it and must stop it. It's really a threat to constitutional order."

Earlier this year, liberal George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley warned about President Obama's executive overreach, saying we will reach a constitutional tipping point if Congress doesn't do something to restore the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches of government......snip~


Sessions: Obama's Executive Action is a Threat to Constitutional Order - Katie Pavlich
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I understand the fascination on the left for Congress to enter into impeachment proceedings against Obama. Nothing but total amnesia and/or a failed impeachment will save Obama from being one of the worst Presidents ever to hold the office.
Imagine the utter dread on the left realizing that history will portray George W. Bush as a stronger, more competent President than the left's messiah - must be incredibly depressing.
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Bull.

Do a little research. Most of the people who will write G.W.Bush's history, grade his performance and teach lessons about him are liberals who have a very poor opinion of him.

Bush will ultimately be rated mighty close to the bottom.

Wait and see.
 
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MMC said:
Heya Grip. :2wave: Do you think this is the one that gets BO in trouble?


The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...0-point-immigration-plan-via-exec-action.html
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He's got a majority against him in Congress, with the last election, but not enough to reach the votes necessary. It'll depend on how far he reaches, and where he compromises to assuage opposition. I'm sure he'll have a bullpen of legal eagles drawing up boundaries. He keeps underestimating things.. like the elections, ISIS, Ebola and the Russians, which doesn't bode well for a track record.
 
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MMC said:
;)

Sessions: Obama's Executive Action is a Threat to Constitutional Order

Senator Jeff Sessions, who has been warning about what the White House might do on the issue of illegal immigration for years, made an appearance on The Kelly File to discuss new developments. During the interview, Sessions explained that President Obama not only lacks the authority to do what is outlined in a released plan, but it's against the law.

"Fundamentally the President has no authority to do this, it's against the law," Sessions said. "Congress can stop it and must stop it. It's really a threat to constitutional order."

Earlier this year, liberal George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley warned about President Obama's executive overreach, saying we will reach a constitutional tipping point if Congress doesn't do something to restore the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches of government......snip~


Sessions: Obama's Executive Action is a Threat to Constitutional Order - Katie Pavlich
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It doesn't really matter if someone interprets the action as law breaking if they don't get the votes required to impeach or overrule.

"Congress may attempt to overturn an executive order by passing legislation (a bill) that opposes the order. However, the President can veto that bill, and Congress would then need to override that veto to pass the bill."
 
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Please, please, Congress, don't throw Obama in the briar patch! :D
 
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shrubnose said:
Bull.

Do a little research. Most of the people who will write G.W.Bush's history, grade his performance and teach lessons about him are liberals who have a very poor opinion of him.

Bush will ultimately be rated mighty close to the bottom.

Wait and see.
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The only good thing about today's social-media world is that it will prevent stilted history from being written as it once was. Fifty years from now, objective eyes will pour through it all and the truth will stand clear.
 
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BrewerBob said:
I guess in practice an "impeachable offense" is whatever the House of Representatives says it is.
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That's good. Because if FOXNews had their way, Obama farting on Air Force 1 would be an impeachable offense. LOL!
 
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NIMBY said:
We also have no clue what the Republican House will do, if ever--especially since Cantor was voted out for at least trying with baby steps.
We do know that VP Biden asked Speaker Boehner last Friday how long he would need and was cut off angrily by the President.

We also know the House adjourned July 31st without acting and this was a successful election strategy.
We saw Obama's message about acting uniformly last summer not work.

As Iowa Gov. Branstad said before the election, Obama's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Obama wasn't going to change people who voted against him anyway with executive action before the election.

I would surmise that his White House team simply wasn't organized enough to put together something coherent on EA,
especially with everything else on its plate like Ebola and ISIL for starters.

By hanging his Latino American base out to dry with no EA, they didn't come out to vote for Democrats and cost Senators like Udall their election .
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Boehner Will Fight ‘Tooth and Nail’ Against Obama’s Executive Amnesty, Doesn’t Rule Out Shutdown (Updated) (Video).....
Speaker John A. Boehner said Republicans will fight “tooth and nail” against President Barack Obama’s plans to act on immigration by himself, and didn’t rule out a government shutdown.

“We’re going to fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path,” the Ohio Republican said at a press conference introducing the new GOP leadership team. “This is the wrong way to govern. This is exactly what the American people said on Election Day they didn’t want. And so, all the options are on the table.”

Boehner is facing pressure from conservatives to pre-emptively defund any amnesty, but that could lead to a shutdown fight......snip~

Immigration News: Boehner Will Fight 'Tooth and Nail' Against Obama's Executive Amnesty

 
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Erod said:
The only good thing about today's social-media world is that it will prevent stilted history from being written as it once was. Fifty years from now, objective eyes will pour through it all and the truth will stand clear.
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We won't use social media to look at the Presidency. We will be looking at their own documents and the documents of the opposition leaders and Party, not the words of normal people.
 
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grip said:
It doesn't really matter if someone interprets the action as law breaking if they don't get the votes required to impeach or overrule.

"Congress may attempt to overturn an executive order by passing legislation (a bill) that opposes the order. However, the President can veto that bill, and Congress would then need to override that veto to pass the bill."
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They don't have to impeach either.....they can censure. Still.....creating a new program would be the violation. He would then have broken Constitutional Law. As he cannot change what was legislated and passed.
 
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HogWash said:
When I think of Krauthammer I think of an incredibly intelligent and educated human being.
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And one that makes a ton of money. Why because people like hearing what he has to say.
 
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MMC said:
They don't have to impeach either.....they can censure. Still.....creating a new program would be the violation. He would then have broken Constitutional Law. As he cannot change what was legislated and passed.
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It still takes a supermajority vote, which is unlikely.

The News has been trying to blame new diseases like the Enterovirus D68, that had kids sick with a paralyzing respiratory flu, and Chikungunya (similar to Dengue fever-break bone disease) on border lapses and illegals. They've even said that Ebola could eventually spread to Mexico or South American and come here unchecked.
 
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Captain America said:
That's good. Because if FOXNews had their way, Obama farting on Air Force 1 would be an impeachable offense. LOL!
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Hell if it was up to me I would impeach the idiot for far less than that. Christ FOXNews is giving him a pass.
 
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Fiddytree said:
If there is existing law that in some way prevents whatever action will take place, even if passed in anticipation of the President's actions, it will fit in quite nicely with previous impeachment proceedings.

Impeachment has always been partisan politics personified. There hasn't been a single case where the main cause for such proceedings was because of a focus on the illegalities of the President. Each one was primarily driven by partisan animus.
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There are, unfortunately, very few actual rules outlining what a president can or cannot do via executive order. Even if it turns out this is not, the proper remedy is simply to overrule the order in the courts, not to impeach the president. We don't throw out every member of congress who votes for a law that is later ruled unconstitutional by the court. Why should a president be any different?
 
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Erod said:
The only good thing about today's social-media world is that it will prevent stilted history from being written as it once was.
Fifty years from now, objective eyes will pour through it all and the truth will stand clear.
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Fifty years from now most historians will be just as liberal as they are now.

What they write about Bush will be colored by their liberalism.
 
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I really, really, REALLY hope the GOP doesn't make any attempt to impeach Obama. I respect Krauthammer very much, but I oppose the notion of impeachment.
 
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mak2 said:
I wish the Republicans would get off all the crazy stuff and come up with a viable, not crazy candidate, I never want to vote Democrat again. Problem is the Republicans are at least and bad, and crazy to boot.
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I agree. The rhetoric from the Washington Repubs is that they got the message and will change things in the next two years. So what is their first vote? Electing the same two idiots as their leaders.

Those same two idiots are now stating no more temporary fixes to the budget. They want to work with current Congress in the couple of days of actual work between now and year end.

Sounds like business as usual to me.

Unlike you, I am not at the point where I can cast a D vote, but I tend to vote "none of the above" in most elections.
 
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shrubnose said:
Fifty years from now most historians will be just as liberal as they are now.

What they write about Bush will be colored by their liberalism.
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Partially, yes. Unfortunately.
 
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Zyphlin said:
It's really not too difficult.

If all he does is basically directs executive branches to selectively focus enforcement of the law against violators within a certian category, essentially denying enforcement of it against anyone that doesn't fall into the previous category, or actively excuses the violations of the law of people in this country then it's not likely grounds for impeachment as it's arguable that it's within his scope as the Presidency.

There's legitimate arguments there that the scope is beyond what should be allowed, there's legitimate arguments for a SCOTUS challenge, there's legitimate arguments about the precedence such action may set...but you'd be hard pressed to have an honest and clear argument for impeachment.

If he actively grants anyone here illegally in any fashion, whether they were brought here as a child or came as an adult, naturalization or a pathway to naturalization then there would be a legitimate argument for impeachment on the basis of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution and based on the SCOTUS decision penned by Justice Jackson which indicated the Presidents power with executive actions is at its lowest when its against the implied or expressed will of congress (it clearly would be) is at it's lowest.

Until he actually puts forward his action there's absolutely no way to know which direction he ends up going.
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If done openly, it is selective enforcement which can nullify anything he has done.

You cannot select a group or an individual for special treatment under the law
 
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shrubnose said:
Bull.

Do a little research. Most of the people who will write G.W.Bush's history, grade his performance and teach lessons about him are liberals who have a very poor opinion of him.

Bush will ultimately be rated mighty close to the bottom.

Wait and see.
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Umm. Riiigght.

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Former President George W. Bush's Image Ratings Improve

Now, if you are talking about the left wing extremist academia who write history books for a living and contribute very little else of value to society, then you may be right. :mrgreen:
 
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I hang out on a lot of conservative boards. The frenzy they go after something is just amazing. The IRS, Benghazi, F&F, Ebola now it will be immigration=impeachment. It doesnt matter that they have no factual basis for any sort of acusations or no proof of the scandal etc, but man it is like a pit bull on a chew toy.
Paschendale said:
There are, unfortunately, very few actual rules outlining what a president can or cannot do via executive order. Even if it turns out this is not, the proper remedy is simply to overrule the order in the courts, not to impeach the president. We don't throw out every member of congress who votes for a law that is later ruled unconstitutional by the court. Why should a president be any different?
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Zyphlin said:
It's really not too difficult.

If all he does is basically directs executive branches to selectively focus enforcement of the law against violators within a certian category, essentially denying enforcement of it against anyone that doesn't fall into the previous category, or actively excuses the violations of the law of people in this country then it's not likely grounds for impeachment as it's arguable that it's within his scope as the Presidency.

There's legitimate arguments there that the scope is beyond what should be allowed, there's legitimate arguments for a SCOTUS challenge, there's legitimate arguments about the precedence such action may set...but you'd be hard pressed to have an honest and clear argument for impeachment.

If he actively grants anyone here illegally in any fashion, whether they were brought here as a child or came as an adult, naturalization or a pathway to naturalization then there would be a legitimate argument for impeachment on the basis of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution and based on the SCOTUS decision penned by Justice Jackson which indicated the Presidents power with executive actions is at its lowest when its against the implied or expressed will of congress (it clearly would be) is at it's lowest.

Until he actually puts forward his action there's absolutely no way to know which direction he ends up going.
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I agree. Police power has always implied enforcement discretion if for no other reason than the management of a finite supply of resources - officers, prosecutors, money whatever.
 
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