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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    That's good. Because if FOXNews had their way, Obama farting on Air Force 1 would be an impeachable offense. LOL!
    Hell if it was up to me I would impeach the idiot for far less than that. Christ FOXNews is giving him a pass.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If there is existing law that in some way prevents whatever action will take place, even if passed in anticipation of the President's actions, it will fit in quite nicely with previous impeachment proceedings.

    Impeachment has always been partisan politics personified. There hasn't been a single case where the main cause for such proceedings was because of a focus on the illegalities of the President. Each one was primarily driven by partisan animus.
    There are, unfortunately, very few actual rules outlining what a president can or cannot do via executive order. Even if it turns out this is not, the proper remedy is simply to overrule the order in the courts, not to impeach the president. We don't throw out every member of congress who votes for a law that is later ruled unconstitutional by the court. Why should a president be any different?
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The only good thing about today's social-media world is that it will prevent stilted history from being written as it once was.
    Fifty years from now, objective eyes will pour through it all and the truth will stand clear.


    Fifty years from now most historians will be just as liberal as they are now.

    What they write about Bush will be colored by their liberalism.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    I really, really, REALLY hope the GOP doesn't make any attempt to impeach Obama. I respect Krauthammer very much, but I oppose the notion of impeachment.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I wish the Republicans would get off all the crazy stuff and come up with a viable, not crazy candidate, I never want to vote Democrat again. Problem is the Republicans are at least and bad, and crazy to boot.
    I agree. The rhetoric from the Washington Repubs is that they got the message and will change things in the next two years. So what is their first vote? Electing the same two idiots as their leaders.

    Those same two idiots are now stating no more temporary fixes to the budget. They want to work with current Congress in the couple of days of actual work between now and year end.

    Sounds like business as usual to me.

    Unlike you, I am not at the point where I can cast a D vote, but I tend to vote "none of the above" in most elections.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Fifty years from now most historians will be just as liberal as they are now.

    What they write about Bush will be colored by their liberalism.
    Partially, yes. Unfortunately.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's really not too difficult.

    If all he does is basically directs executive branches to selectively focus enforcement of the law against violators within a certian category, essentially denying enforcement of it against anyone that doesn't fall into the previous category, or actively excuses the violations of the law of people in this country then it's not likely grounds for impeachment as it's arguable that it's within his scope as the Presidency.

    There's legitimate arguments there that the scope is beyond what should be allowed, there's legitimate arguments for a SCOTUS challenge, there's legitimate arguments about the precedence such action may set...but you'd be hard pressed to have an honest and clear argument for impeachment.

    If he actively grants anyone here illegally in any fashion, whether they were brought here as a child or came as an adult, naturalization or a pathway to naturalization then there would be a legitimate argument for impeachment on the basis of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution and based on the SCOTUS decision penned by Justice Jackson which indicated the Presidents power with executive actions is at its lowest when its against the implied or expressed will of congress (it clearly would be) is at it's lowest.

    Until he actually puts forward his action there's absolutely no way to know which direction he ends up going.

    If done openly, it is selective enforcement which can nullify anything he has done.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Bull.

    Do a little research. Most of the people who will write G.W.Bush's history, grade his performance and teach lessons about him are liberals who have a very poor opinion of him.

    Bush will ultimately be rated mighty close to the bottom.

    Wait and see.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    I hang out on a lot of conservative boards. The frenzy they go after something is just amazing. The IRS, Benghazi, F&F, Ebola now it will be immigration=impeachment. It doesnt matter that they have no factual basis for any sort of acusations or no proof of the scandal etc, but man it is like a pit bull on a chew toy.
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    There are, unfortunately, very few actual rules outlining what a president can or cannot do via executive order. Even if it turns out this is not, the proper remedy is simply to overrule the order in the courts, not to impeach the president. We don't throw out every member of congress who votes for a law that is later ruled unconstitutional by the court. Why should a president be any different?
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's really not too difficult.

    If all he does is basically directs executive branches to selectively focus enforcement of the law against violators within a certian category, essentially denying enforcement of it against anyone that doesn't fall into the previous category, or actively excuses the violations of the law of people in this country then it's not likely grounds for impeachment as it's arguable that it's within his scope as the Presidency.

    There's legitimate arguments there that the scope is beyond what should be allowed, there's legitimate arguments for a SCOTUS challenge, there's legitimate arguments about the precedence such action may set...but you'd be hard pressed to have an honest and clear argument for impeachment.

    If he actively grants anyone here illegally in any fashion, whether they were brought here as a child or came as an adult, naturalization or a pathway to naturalization then there would be a legitimate argument for impeachment on the basis of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution and based on the SCOTUS decision penned by Justice Jackson which indicated the Presidents power with executive actions is at its lowest when its against the implied or expressed will of congress (it clearly would be) is at it's lowest.

    Until he actually puts forward his action there's absolutely no way to know which direction he ends up going.
    I agree. Police power has always implied enforcement discretion if for no other reason than the management of a finite supply of resources - officers, prosecutors, money whatever.
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