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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I guess in practice an "impeachable offense" is whatever the House of Representatives says it is.
    That's pretty much it. The impeachment process in the Constitution has more in common with a vote of no confidence in a parliamentary system than it does with a criminal trial. The people don't need any justification at all for electing a person President, and they don't need much more for removing him before his term is up. "High crimes or misdemeanors" are largely whatever the House wants to make them. There's some reason to believe the phrase was purposely chosen because it did not have any specific, widely recognized meaning.

    Whether this man has committed enough offenses is about the last consideration in deciding whether to impeach him. Andy McCarthy, an accomplished former federal prosecutor, has written a book which categorizes the many serious abuses of power and violations of the Constitution Mr. Obama has engaged in. There are so many that only a fraction of them would be enough to make up a bill of impeachment. This may well be the most lawless administration in our history--Mr. Nixon's pales in comparison.

    Mr. Obama is no longer very popular. Still, the biggest problem with impeachment is making the case persuasively enough that most people agree it was a fair thing to do. If there's not enough political support, people are likely to see the targeted President as the victim of a hatchet job, and take their revenge on his persecutors at the polls. In the House, there is already far more than the simple majority needed to impeach. McCarthy argues that what's more important is support in the Senate.

    The two-thirds Senate majority needed to convict and remove an impeached President has never been achieved, although Andrew Johnson survived by only a single vote. Even so, the closer to 67 votes there are, the more Congress seems to be speaking with one voice, and the greater political cover for a vote in the House to impeach. That makes the size of the recent Republican gain important. It now stands at eight, and if a Republican is elected in Louisiana next month, it will be nine. That is bigger than even the most optimistic Republicans expected, and it makes impeachment more plausible than before.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    I understand the fascination on the left for Congress to enter into impeachment proceedings against Obama. Nothing but total amnesia and/or a failed impeachment will save Obama from being one of the worst Presidents ever to hold the office. Imagine the utter dread on the left realizing that history will portray George W. Bush as a stronger, more competent President than the left's messiah - must be incredibly depressing.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Krauthammer represents some of the worst of what America is today. He reminds me of a little dog that sits on the porch and yaps day and night and never shuts up. Doesn't do anything, but yap, yap, yap.
    Funny you mention that. That same image often comes to mind when I hear leftist dim bulbs yammering.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    With all due respect to this once Pulitzer prize winning journalist, he's lost his mind.

    He give emotional reasons as to why this amnesty is "impeachable" offense, but makes no reference to any form of "high crime" or "misdemeanors" stated in the United States Constitution.

    And, based on recent history, Nixon and Clinton, talk of it on this issue is absurd. The constitution gives the president full power over pardons, unquestioningly so that Ford's pardon of Nixon BEFORE being charged, was not even challenged.


    This feeds right into the mistake Republicans always make, stupid, irrational claims tending toward extremism.

    If they want to attack this, the only way is through the courts, where a pardon for an on-going crime is questionable


    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I haven't seen the video - at work - and haven't really been following the issue outside of knowing it exists.

    First off what crime is being alleged? Presidents get impeached for breaking the law. Testing the bounds of presidential authority or putting forth an unconstitutional order are not crimes. So the whole impeachment things sounds like political talk and not something that's legal reality.

    What is Obama claiming as legal authority for granting amnesty?

    I have to agree with Zyphlin that it will depend on how far he uses executive orders to change the current rules on immigration. He's telling the House that if they don't pass something of significance before 2015, he will. It's not realistic to round up and ship 11+ million people back over the border.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I understand the fascination on the left for Congress to enter into impeachment proceedings against Obama. Nothing but total amnesia and/or a failed impeachment will save Obama from being one of the worst Presidents ever to hold the office. Imagine the utter dread on the left realizing that history will portray George W. Bush as a stronger, more competent President than the left's messiah - must be incredibly depressing.

    He already is considered the worst president in modern times....

    I keep asking this question without a proper reply, name one thing Obama has done that has succeeded, united the country, actually improved a majority of lives or brought peace to any corner of the globe.

    Bush united a people like no president since the war after the greatest assault on the nation in history, he had support from both sides of the aisle and he pulled together not one but two coalitions of leading nations, the Afghanistan campaign being the most impressive since 1942.

    On that score, who are Americas friends today, willing to show up with anything more than token forces. Clearly the rest of the world has little faith in Obama
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    It's really not too difficult.

    If all he does is basically directs executive branches to selectively focus enforcement of the law against violators within a certian category, essentially denying enforcement of it against anyone that doesn't fall into the previous category, or actively excuses the violations of the law of people in this country then it's not likely grounds for impeachment as it's arguable that it's within his scope as the Presidency.

    There's legitimate arguments there that the scope is beyond what should be allowed, there's legitimate arguments for a SCOTUS challenge, there's legitimate arguments about the precedence such action may set...but you'd be hard pressed to have an honest and clear argument for impeachment.

    If he actively grants anyone here illegally in any fashion, whether they were brought here as a child or came as an adult, naturalization or a pathway to naturalization then there would be a legitimate argument for impeachment on the basis of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution and based on the SCOTUS decision penned by Justice Jackson which indicated the Presidents power with executive actions is at its lowest when its against the implied or expressed will of congress (it clearly would be) is at it's lowest.

    Until he actually puts forward his action there's absolutely no way to know which direction he ends up going.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I have to agree with Zyphlin that it will depend on how far he uses executive orders to change the current rules on immigration. He's telling the House that if they don't pass something of significance before 2015, he will. It's not realistic to round up and ship 11+ million people back over the border.


    Heya Grip. Do you think this is the one that gets BO in trouble?


    The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.....snip~

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigr...ec-action.html

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    He already is considered the worst president in modern times....
    So was the last President....and the President before him..and the President before him..and the President before him..and the President before him, and so was Nixon.

    With that kind of track record, should we really think it's true or should we think it is premature fantasy?

    The latter is the saner choice. The former is the choice of the moron.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Watch his comments to Megyn Kelly:



    Will Congress try to impeach a President for using executive power to make sweeping immigration law changes, and is it warranted?


    Sessions: Obama's Executive Action is a Threat to Constitutional Order

    Senator Jeff Sessions, who has been warning about what the White House might do on the issue of illegal immigration for years, made an appearance on The Kelly File to discuss new developments. During the interview, Sessions explained that President Obama not only lacks the authority to do what is outlined in a released plan, but it's against the law.

    "Fundamentally the President has no authority to do this, it's against the law," Sessions said. "Congress can stop it and must stop it. It's really a threat to constitutional order."

    Earlier this year, liberal George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley warned about President Obama's executive overreach, saying we will reach a constitutional tipping point if Congress doesn't do something to restore the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches of government......snip~


    Sessions: Obama's Executive Action is a Threat to Constitutional Order - Katie Pavlich

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I understand the fascination on the left for Congress to enter into impeachment proceedings against Obama. Nothing but total amnesia and/or a failed impeachment will save Obama from being one of the worst Presidents ever to hold the office.
    Imagine the utter dread on the left realizing that history will portray George W. Bush as a stronger, more competent President than the left's messiah - must be incredibly depressing.


    Bull.

    Do a little research. Most of the people who will write G.W.Bush's history, grade his performance and teach lessons about him are liberals who have a very poor opinion of him.

    Bush will ultimately be rated mighty close to the bottom.

    Wait and see.

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