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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    President Obama didn't convince the public we needed to invade Iraq, Bush did that.
    He didn't lie, neither.

    It was Obama that Hans Gruber was talking to when he decided that the American people are stupid.

    Personally, I think he was referring to the neo-communist liberals more than anyone else.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And he wasn't convicted. And his impeachment, just like Bill Clinton's, was a partisan political circus that had nothing to do with good governance
    I don't see how Andrew Johnson's impeachment was in any way harmful to good governance. He was a very poor President who'd been added to the ticket in 1864 mainly to lend it geographic balance, historically an important consideration in selecting running mates. Johnson was from Tennessee, yet favored the Union. That made him useful in 1864 as a symbol of national unity. But after the war, his Southern sympathies were at odds with powerful sentiments that held sway in the North.

    Many people may not have cared much more about protecting blacks than Johnson did. But so many Union men had been killed or wounded that almost everyone, in every town, had been close to one of them. And they damn sure did care about making sure those several hundred thousand boys had not shed a river of blood for nothing. Even after most people had stopped suspecting Johnson of having been behind Lincoln's assassination, they weren't all that sorry to be shed of him.

    the constitution, separation of powers, or any other facet of law.
    Really? You seem to know all about constitutional law. Why don't you explain to us just how Johnson's impeachment was not perfectly legitimate under the Constitution? And while you're at it, please tell us just how the separation of powers was violated. The Constitution specifically gives the legislative branch authority to impeach and try officials in the executive and judicial branches. Impeachments are the business of the House, and trials of impeached officials are the business of the Senate. The House impeached Johnson, and the Senate tried him.

    If you were really as concerned about the law as you claim, you would not be rushing to guard the rear of a damned un-American liar like Barack Obama, who has repeatedly shown he has nothing but contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution of the U.S. If enough Americans no longer want him as President, that's enough. They don't need to justify their displeasure with him to anyone--including whatever supporters he still has. He has abused his power and violated the Constitution so many times, and so gravely, that even a small fraction of those offenses would be more than is needed under the Constitution to impeach him.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Really? You seem to know all about constitutional law. Why don't you explain to us just how Johnson's impeachment was not perfectly legitimate under the Constitution? And while you're at it, please tell us just how the separation of powers was violated. The Constitution specifically gives the legislative branch authority to impeach and try officials in the executive and judicial branches. Impeachments are the business of the House, and trials of impeached officials are the business of the Senate. The House impeached Johnson, and the Senate tried him.
    Your reading comprehension is unimpressive. The act of impeaching a president is within the constitution. The grounds for which they attempted to impeach him were, like the grounds for Clinton's impeachment hearing, complete nonsense that had nothing to do with a better government or the rule of law. It was just partisan nonsense. As would a similar attempt on Obama.

    If you were really as concerned about the law as you claim, you would not be rushing to guard the rear of a damned un-American liar like Barack Obama, who has repeatedly shown he has nothing but contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution of the U.S. If enough Americans no longer want him as President, that's enough. They don't need to justify their displeasure with him to anyone--including whatever supporters he still has. He has abused his power and violated the Constitution so many times, and so gravely, that even a small fraction of those offenses would be more than is needed under the Constitution to impeach him.
    See, that you think the bolded demonstrates that you really have no idea what's going on. He hasn't violated the law or the constitution. Conservatives like to keep telling each other this, and that there's something fundamentally wrong with this president, but it's just a lot of hackery. He's a regular politician, just like any other. The only contempt is the pathological hatred that the right has for him. But your contempt for him doesn't make him a criminal, no matter how badly you want him to be one. Get out of your bubble and face reality.
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    What has this GOP House done with immigration reform since coming to power in 2011? Exactly zero. Boehner hasn't been able to get 218 votes out of his own caucus on anything important since losing the grand bargain in 2011, no matter who you blame. And try answering my post next time instead of your diversions or don't bother .

    What has BO and the Demos done since 2008 when BO had full control of Congress, and after BO made promises.

    Boehner now has more seats.

    Oh and I did answer your OP that started with the false premise that none knew what the House is going to do. That was corrected to what was....Right.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The act of impeaching a president is within the constitution. The grounds for which they attempted to impeach him were, like the grounds for Clinton's impeachment hearing, complete nonsense that had nothing to do with a better government or the rule of law. It was just partisan nonsense. As would a similar attempt on Obama.
    By severely crippling B.J. Clinton's ability to damage the country any further, his impeachment automatically contributed to better government.

    No doubt my reading comprehension is nothing like yours--but let me try very hard to comprehend this. The Constitution, which is our highest law, authorizes the House to impeach a President. And yet both times the House has done that, according to you, it "had nothing to do with . . . the rule of law." If that makes sense to you, I'm not the least surprised.

    See, that you think the bolded demonstrates that you really have no idea what's going on.
    Really? OK, if you say so. I'm happy to leave it to the people who have read my posts about legal and constitutional matters, and read yours, to decide which of us really has no idea what's going on.

    He hasn't violated the law or the constitution.
    Rot. Of course he has--flagrantly and repeatedly. Andy McCarthy, a very accomplished former federal prosecutor, wrote a book some months ago in which he catalogued a great many gross violations by your President, in several categories, even a fraction of which would be plenty to make out a bill of impeachment. This damned statist liar has nothing but contempt for the Constitution, and for the duty to see that laws are faithfully executed that it imposes on him. As a dedicated member of President Pinocchio's rear guard, though, you are committed to ignoring his many gross violations.

    Conservatives like to keep telling each other this, and that there's something fundamentally wrong with this president, but it's just a lot of hackery.
    The only hackery I see here is your own. You know President Pinocchio's incompetence, habitual dishonesty, contempt for the law, and limp-wristed foreign policy have finally caught up with him and you are trying to hide it by pretending everything is fine. But I know the sound of whistling past the graveyard when I hear it.

    He's a regular politician, just like any other.
    I do not agree. But if he were, it would just mean their sorry carcases should be thrown out of office too.

    The only contempt is the pathological hatred that the right has for him.
    I don't know what "the right" is, but it's nothing to do with me. I don't hate Mr. Obama any more than I hate any other un-American collectivist liar.

    But your contempt for him doesn't make him a criminal, no matter how badly you want him to be one.
    I never even suggested that Mr. Obama has committed any crimes, or that he should be prosecuted. One more time: Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding. Neither this President nor any other high official needs to have violated any criminal law for the House to impeach him.

    Get out of your bubble and face reality.
    That's exactly what you and your fellow members of this damned liar's rear guard have been forced to do in recent weeks. Your messiah's halo is tarnished, and his star is sinking fast--and you are more and more desperate to deny that fact
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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    President Obama didn't convince the public we needed to invade Iraq, Bush did that.
    You've probably seen the Gruber video but don't believe it applies to you.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Testing the bounds of presidential authority or putting forth an unconstitutional order are not crimes.
    These are exciting times. Interest rates are lower than the price of gasoline and violating Constitutional law is not a crime.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Lets hope so. A sure fire way to get out the democratic vote. Go Tea Party Whackos!
    I agree with what Krauthammer said about the usurpation of Congressional authority and how Democrats who may even be encouraging "this invasion of the territory of Congress" and applauding it will rue the day.

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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    By severely crippling B.J. Clinton's ability to damage the country any further, his impeachment automatically contributed to better government.

    No doubt my reading comprehension is nothing like yours--but let me try very hard to comprehend this. The Constitution, which is our highest law, authorizes the House to impeach a President. And yet both times the House has done that, according to you, it "had nothing to do with . . . the rule of law." If that makes sense to you, I'm not the least surprised.



    Really? OK, if you say so. I'm happy to leave it to the people who have read my posts about legal and constitutional matters, and read yours, to decide which of us really has no idea what's going on.



    Rot. Of course he has--flagrantly and repeatedly. Andy McCarthy, a very accomplished former federal prosecutor, wrote a book some months ago in which he catalogued a great many gross violations by your President, in several categories, even a fraction of which would be plenty to make out a bill of impeachment. This damned statist liar has nothing but contempt for the Constitution, and for the duty to see that laws are faithfully executed that it imposes on him. As a dedicated member of President Pinocchio's rear guard, though, you are committed to ignoring his many gross violations.



    The only hackery I see here is your own. You know President Pinocchio's incompetence, habitual dishonesty, contempt for the law, and limp-wristed foreign policy have finally caught up with him and you are trying to hide it by pretending everything is fine. But I know the sound of whistling past the graveyard when I hear it.



    I do not agree. But if he were, it would just mean their sorry carcases should be thrown out of office too.



    I don't know what "the right" is, but it's nothing to do with me. I don't hate Mr. Obama any more than I hate any other un-American collectivist liar.



    I never even suggested that Mr. Obama has committed any crimes, or that he should be prosecuted. One more time: Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding. Neither this President nor any other high official needs to have violated any criminal law for the House to impeach him.



    That's exactly what you and your fellow members of this damned liar's rear guard have been forced to do in recent weeks. Your messiah's halo is tarnished, and his star is sinking fast--and you are more and more desperate to deny that fact
    You consider yourself a constitutionalist...Have you made case for impeachment?

    Seems the GOP has failed in that simple task. I don't seem to recall your thread on making a case for impeachment. What exact crime, misdemeanor, or violation of the Constitution has the President committed? Not someone else's... yours.

    If you do have a thread, please post the link... I love to check your constitutional reasoning. We all might learn something.


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    Re: Krauthammer: 'Impeachable Offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    These are exciting times. Interest rates are lower than the price of gasoline and violating Constitutional law is not a crime.
    Oh please. Has every lawmaker who voted for and every President who signed a law that was later deemed unconstitutional committed a crime?
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