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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Its oil. Someone will want it. If not everyone.
    We are practically swimming in oil now. We need to put that tar sand crap back for a generation or 2 at least. Maybe then we will know how to use it efficiently.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We are practically swimming in oil now. We need to put that tar sand crap back for a generation or 2 at least. Maybe then we will know how to use it efficiently.
    The oil is being extracted and sold now. It's presence on the market is one reason there is so much. The only question is whether we in the US will share in the wealth. We do that by building the Keystone XL in order to become the primary refiner of the Canadian crude.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The oil is being extracted and sold now. It's presence on the market is one reason there is so much. The only question is whether we in the US will share in the wealth. We do that by building the Keystone XL in order to become the primary refiner of the Canadian crude.
    Poppycock. Tar sands crude is not even economically viable with oil below $100. Not to mention being the primary recipient of the carcinogenic air pollution from that refining and be the one taking all the risk of contaminating our aquifers from pipeline leaks. The only thing we won't get is gasoline, jobs or money from it. They are even going to use Russian Steel to build it. It sounds just perfect doesn't it? I can't believe that Obama will veto it, but he certainly will.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Poppycock. Tar sands crude is not even economically viable with oil below $100. Not to mention being the primary recipient of the carcinogenic air pollution from that refining and be the one taking all the risk of contaminating our aquifers from pipeline leaks. The only thing we won't get is gasoline, jobs or money from it. They are even going to use Russian Steel to build it. It sounds just perfect doesn't it? I can't believe that Obama will veto it, but he certainly will.
    It's actually profitable at any price above $65/barrel. The refinery that will process the crude already exists. Pipelines are the safest, cleanest means of transport, and since we already have about 185,000 miles of pipelines in the US, 2,000-3,000 more won't add any appreciable risk. A large share (perhaps most) of the refined product will be marketed in the US.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's actually profitable at any price above $65/barrel. The refinery that will process the crude already exists. Pipelines are the safest, cleanest means of transport, and since we already have about 185,000 miles of pipelines in the US, 2,000-3,000 more won't add any appreciable risk. A large share (perhaps most) of the refined product will be marketed in the US.
    None of the refined product is to be marketed here, we have no need for it. We are already exporting 400,000 barrels a day of gasoline.
    I don't suppose you know that the first "Keystone" pipeline had 12 leaks in the first year. That sounds safe to you?

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    None of the refined product is to be marketed here, we have no need for it. We are already exporting 400,000 barrels a day of gasoline.
    I don't suppose you know that the first "Keystone" pipeline had 12 leaks in the first year. That sounds safe to you?
    Blah blah blah. Statistically, pipelines are the safest, cleanest way to move the product. We may even export more gasoline in the future, but a good share of what comes through Keystone XL will be consumed right here because the distribution network from the Gulf is so efficient.
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    I hate when people talk about exporting oil as though its just disappearing to no ones benefit. We have a global petroleum market and the addition of more supply invariably has an effect on the price.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Blah blah blah. Statistically, pipelines are the safest, cleanest way to move the product. We may even export more gasoline in the future, but a good share of what comes through Keystone XL will be consumed right here because the distribution network from the Gulf is so efficient.
    Your undying allegiance to corporate interests over those of the people is duly noted and rejected. Let the Canadians have the carcinogens from refineries and the risk of oil spills from leaking pipelines. They are making the money they should take the risks.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually, this is exactly the sort of thing eminent domain was written into the Constitution for. Public projects that need private land right of way.
    Actually James is right. I am all for the pipeline. But the companies building it should NOT be able to eminent domain peoples land. The company needs to make and offer the land owners would unlikely to refuse.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Your undying allegiance to corporate interests over those of the people is duly noted and rejected. Let the Canadians have the carcinogens from refineries and the risk of oil spills from leaking pipelines. They are making the money they should take the risks.
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