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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Well said and supported by this Canadian and just about everyone I know....

    We are building condensing plans for Liquified Natural gas in the far north in Prince Rupert for export to China, plans are already under way to build a pipeline from Fort McMurray through the worst of the Rockies to the Rupe...negating the entire need for Keystone. Harper's Conservatives are on board, as are BC's Liberals and Alberta's ever Conservative government..all that remains in the traditional ay off to First Nations and we're a go....extraction, primary cleansing, refining and shipment all in country and Canadian jobs..

    Yeah, I would rather this turkey die a quick death we will be better off.

    The Chinese will **** though
    My advice is shut the whole tars sands project down. Its' too expensive in too many ways. Now that the Chinese have signed on to reducing Greenhouse gas emissions, you won't be able to unload it on them. Tar sands **** will need 3 times the carbon credits as regular crude. It will become too dirty to use...cut your losses and put that land back into something tolerable that won't give us all cancer.. I'm surprised we can't smell it here in Florida. The entire project is an environmental nightmare whose time is long past.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, we will also be using the pipeline for some of our own oil. As it passes through several states that are either new fields of production or ones that have seen the refineries close to which they previously had pipelines, that oil will be able to be shipped from the fields to the refineries much more affordably.

    If someone thinks this pipeline is a disaster waiting to happen, they apparently are not aware of how much oil is currently being shipped by rail and trucks which is far more likely to have spills.
    You are right we will be using that pipeline to export more oil and raise prices for us. Sure sounds like it is worth the risks. After all it will employ 50 whole Americans when completed in 2 years.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Looks like the Keystone Pipeline is gonna get passed the Senate. A bad deal that is gonna hurt a lot of people, worsen the environment, and really not help the US economy at all is most likely gonna be passed. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Yeah, but it's gonna make a couple of big corporations a lot of money. And that's all that really matters in this country, isn't it? Next we have to make sure that they don't pay any taxes on those profits.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Labor and Environmentalist in the same party has always been rather strange, since Environmentalism has costs this country more jobs than just about anything. Environmentalism is the one faction on the left that has not always been there. Sure, they don't fit on the right, but they really don't fit on the left either. Perhaps, as the green party grows, we will see a change in the Dems as the enviro-nuts migrate over. Not that I would piss on either if I saw them on fire. Environmentalism, like fascism, doesn't really fit the spectrum but is generally a bad thing.
    Environmentalism is like a religion. There have been times when I thought the Environmentalist would be very happy to see the end of mankind so the world would remain pristine. But having people in the same political party with opposite views on one, two or even a few issues is really the norm. The GOP has a lot of members who are fiscal conservative but are not pro life or not anti-gay marriage for an example.

    But I do think you are right in that if the Green Party could become a viable third party with a real chance to win elections the environmentalist they would indeed move into it. The green party is more of a political match for them than the Democrats. Think of this, if this billionaire environmentalist guy in California would have donated his 100 million to the green party instead if he ever did to the Democratic senatorial campaign for not approving the Keystone pipeline to the green party. I would wager that a some of their governor candidates would have become competitive, maybe a couple of their senate candidates, but if the green party had concentrated a lot of that cash that on their House candidates, cheaper and a bigger bang for their investment, they probably would have won 5 seats and perhaps one or two more out of the 15 or so candidates they ran for House seats.

    Imagine the publicity in the MSM. Green Party candidate leading in the polls in such and such house races or green party candidate for governor within 5 points of the lead in Colorado or Illinois. That would be free publicity and would attract more donors from the public at large. Especially if the green party won some seat in the house there would be articles and stories in the MSM about the possibility of them becoming that viable third political party.

    But that guy from California didn't so the above is meaningless.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    My advice is shut the whole tars sands project down. Its' too expensive in too many ways. Now that the Chinese have signed on to reducing Greenhouse gas emissions, you won't be able to unload it on them. Tar sands **** will need 3 times the carbon credits as regular crude. It will become too dirty to use...cut your losses and put that land back into something tolerable that won't give us all cancer.. I'm surprised we can't smell it here in Florida. The entire project is an environmental nightmare whose time is long past.
    You don't honestly think the Chinese are going to do anything to limit greenhouse gasses do you? Communists don't care about the environment. They care about power. If they address emissions in China it will be to placate the masses, not because they buy into some global warming nonsense. Communists will agree to anything. Then go right out and ignore the agreement.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You don't honestly think the Chinese are going to do anything to limit greenhouse gasses do you? Communists don't care about the environment. They care about power. If they address emissions in China it will be to placate the masses, not because they buy into some global warming nonsense. Communists will agree to anything. Then go right out and ignore the agreement.
    Well at least if they buy that tar sands crap we will know they are bluffing. I doubt they will though. It will become a pariah that no one wants.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Well at least if they buy that tar sands crap we will know they are bluffing. I doubt they will though. It will become a pariah that no one wants.
    Its oil. Someone will want it. If not everyone.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are right we will be using that pipeline to export more oil and raise prices for us. Sure sounds like it is worth the risks. After all it will employ 50 whole Americans when completed in 2 years.
    You mean like the exportation of Shale oil has recently caused such a drastic rise in gas prices over the last month? Maybe where you live, but gas prices here are over $.50 lower. Of course, Obama and his henchmen are now fighting against the deflationary affects of lowering oil prices.

    And no, it will not all be exported. It will be pumped into the refineries in the Houston area. Perhaps that which is shipped from Canada will be exported, but then again, it was never really imported.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Looks like the Keystone Pipeline is gonna get passed the Senate. A bad deal that is gonna hurt a lot of people, worsen the environment, and really not help the US economy at all is most likely gonna be passed. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    it sucks. For very few jobs, we're going to speed up climate change and risk more environmental damage. For oil that won't even be sold to us.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You mean like the exportation of Shale oil has recently caused such a drastic rise in gas prices over the last month? Maybe where you live, but gas prices here are over $.50 lower. Of course, Obama and his henchmen are now fighting against the deflationary affects of lowering oil prices.

    And no, it will not all be exported. It will be pumped into the refineries in the Houston area. Perhaps that which is shipped from Canada will be exported, but then again, it was never really imported.
    We are already exporting 400,000 barrels a day of gasoline surely that is enough. I hope you like breathing all those carcinogens that refining releases so other countries don't need refineries and can have clean air. There is no pipeline to Houston from the shale oil deposits now so no, exporting shale oil is not raising prices. That will change if XL goes through. I can guarantee you it won't be on Obama's watch...or Hillary's so don't hold your breath.
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