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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

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    The Senate is about to vote on a bill that would force approval of this disastrous project — endangering the American heartland, worsening our dependence on fossil fuels and driving more climate chaos. Tell your Senators to vote NO on any bill that would approve the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline!
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    Unfortunately like all die hard republicans my elected officials have their lips firmly planted on the cocks of big business so they will not VETO this bill.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No it is not.This is not a public project.This is a company in ANOTHER COUNTRY wanting to go through our country to export their goods to countries outside the US. This is the equivalent of a company in Mexico using eminent domain to take property in the US so that they can build a highway to Canada that only they can use.
    On that first part, yes, but AFTER those goods are refined in our refineries. As for how it benefits the US, well it depends upon who you believe, the president who says only 2,000 jobs, the oil company who says 20,000 or the US State Department who says 3,900 direct jobs and 42,000 direct and indirect jobs.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Drill, baby! Drill!

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Personally, at this point, I hope President Obama vetoes the bill and the Senate is unable to come up with the 67 votes to override it. Many Canadians, if not most, at this point would prefer we keep the production and transportation in country to both the west coast, for transport to Asia and to the east coast, for transport to Europe. If the powers that be don't want to be good business partners with Canada and its rich natural resources, we can find friends and partners elsewhere. The US has benefited greatly from decades of undervalued oilsands product and it's time Canadians benefited from the full market value of their resource. And we'll have long memories too.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Looks like the Keystone Pipeline is gonna get passed the Senate. A bad deal that is gonna hurt a lot of people, worsen the environment, and really not help the US economy at all is most likely gonna be passed. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    This is what I do not understand, we already have 186,000 miles of oil pipeline in the United States and we are squabbling over another 2-3,000 miles. Everybody seem fine, contented even in having 186,000 miles of pipeline, but somehow adding 2-3,000 more brings doom and gloom. This whole thing seems to me about the million of dollars environmentalist donates to the campaigns of political office holders and candidates than any real sense of danger.

    Save the snail darter and destroy the human race. After all, without man the environment would be pristine.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No it is not.This is not a public project.This is a company in ANOTHER COUNTRY wanting to go through our country to export their goods to countries outside the US. This is the equivalent of a company in Mexico using eminent domain to take property in the US so that they can build a highway to Canada that only they can use.
    This is why we signed NAFTA.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, at this point, I hope President Obama vetoes the bill and the Senate is unable to come up with the 67 votes to override it. Many Canadians, if not most, at this point would prefer we keep the production and transportation in country to both the west coast, for transport to Asia and to the east coast, for transport to Europe. If the powers that be don't want to be good business partners with Canada and its rich natural resources, we can find friends and partners elsewhere. The US has benefited greatly from decades of undervalued oilsands product and it's time Canadians benefited from the full market value of their resource. And we'll have long memories too.
    Tsk tsk. We once put up with Pierre Trudeau and remained your friends, so you can tolerate BHO's foibles.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    I also have a problem with imminent domain being used to force people off their property over a private business endeavor. Imminent domain should never be used to benefit a private corporation, especially if there won't be at large benefits for citizens.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I also have a problem with imminent domain being used to force people off their property over a private business endeavor. Imminent domain should never be used to benefit a private corporation, especially if there won't be at large benefits for citizens.
    It is perfectly legitimate to use eminent domain in this manner.

    Eminent domain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Eminent domain (United States, the Philippines), compulsory purchase (United Kingdom, New Zealand, Ireland), resumption (Hong Kong), resumption/compulsory acquisition (Australia), or expropriation (South Africa, Canada) is the power to take private property for public use, by a state or a national government.‎ However, it can be legislatively delegated by the state to municipalities, government subdivisions, or even private persons or corporations, when they are authorized to exercise the functions of public character.[1]Meaning - ‎North America - ‎Europe - ‎Australia
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, at this point, I hope President Obama vetoes the bill and the Senate is unable to come up with the 67 votes to override it. Many Canadians, if not most, at this point would prefer we keep the production and transportation in country to both the west coast, for transport to Asia and to the east coast, for transport to Europe. If the powers that be don't want to be good business partners with Canada and its rich natural resources, we can find friends and partners elsewhere. The US has benefited greatly from decades of undervalued oilsands product and it's time Canadians benefited from the full market value of their resource. And we'll have long memories too.
    I agree with you whole-heatedly. The only group that will suffer is the new-fledgling American oil sand/fracking producers.

    American producers are already taking a hit from lower PPB prices on the spot market. Texas fracking sites will have to compete with coastal refineries processing capacity.

    Why should I care about America oil producers so long as Obama eats it. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot to win.


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