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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    How many jobs will it take to construct the pipeline? Resurfacing a bridge deck or adding an extra lane to a highway creates zero full time jobs, yet that was at the heart of the stimulus package touted by democrats for saving the planet from depression. Now, here we have a shovel ready infrastructure job and liberals oppose it. It gets harder and harder to take you guys seriously on any subject.
    Wait...you're serious...you don't see the long term benefit of upgrading 70 year old infrastructure?
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Wait...you're serious...you don't see the long term benefit of upgrading 70 year old infrastructure?
    Seriously, how did you get that out of what I said?

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Seriously, how did you get that out of what I said?
    Well you did boil infrastructure projects down to "full time" jobs created in which you said "none".
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have no problem with Canada refining it's own oil or Alaska refining it's oil or using some other means of transporting goods to the mainland US.
    So you would prefer highly flammable volumes be transferred as opposed to crude?

    And since that's a big no no for pipelines above ground, would you prefer train cars or trucks?

    I have no trouble doing the refining here, it would give us control of a significant part of the market, but is that what you want?
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well you did boil infrastructure projects down to "full time" jobs created in which you said "none".
    That was in response to a poster who claimed XL would create only 50 permanent jobs. That is 50 more than the trillion dollar stimulus created.

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    My advice is shut the whole tars sands project down. Its' too expensive in too many ways. Now that the Chinese have signed on to reducing Greenhouse gas emissions, you won't be able to unload it on them. Tar sands **** will need 3 times the carbon credits as regular crude. It will become too dirty to use...cut your losses and put that land back into something tolerable that won't give us all cancer.. I'm surprised we can't smell it here in Florida. The entire project is an environmental nightmare whose time is long past.
    Thank you for that unsolicited advice on how Canada should operate. It appears you believe that some action will actually happen on Obama's treaty or if ti did that will somehow affect existing long term supply agreements. At the least, that won't happen for 25 years.

    The negatives of the tar sands have been so grossly exaggerated by the ecology mob that it's laughable. You need to know that Keystone XL4 has been twice reviewed and been green lighted by the EPA.

    Take your environmental argument to them, in the meantime I'm watching the increasing business we are doing with Asia on resources and how that is driving the exploration and drilling industries and whistle all the way to the bank
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    So you would prefer highly flammable volumes be transferred as opposed to crude?

    And since that's a big no no for pipelines above ground, would you prefer train cars or trucks?

    I have no trouble doing the refining here, it would give us control of a significant part of the market, but is that what you want?
    My issue is with eminent domain laws.Not the environment. If landowners not selling their property to a oil company means that oil company has to seek alternative means of transporting their oil then so be it.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Prove it.
    Some will be exported, some will be distributed in the U.S.


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    2. Keystone Pipeline Pros, Cons and Steps to a Final Decision ...

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      19 hours ago - A. The Keystone oil pipeline system is designed to carry up to ... A. The United States and Canada are crisscrossed by thousands of miles ... In 2011, the most recent year for which comprehensive international data is available, .... email updates and special offers for New York Times products and services.


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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My issue is with eminent domain laws.Not the environment. If landowners not selling their property to a oil company means that oil company has to seek alternative means of transporting their oil then so be it.
    I get that, but you have not answered the question. On any route one person can shut it down, so what alternative do you prefer?

    You're not going to be weaned from the oil tit any time soon, US consumption ratios are rising
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I get that, but you have not answered the question. On any route one person can shut it down, so what alternative do you prefer?

    You're not going to be weaned from the oil tit any time soon, US consumption ratios are rising
    I do not care how it is transported. I am not for seizing someone's property just so a private company,especially a private company in another country can use that property as their own private highway.
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