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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So, I understand that the keystone is going to carrying crude waste: how is that good for US?
    How do you understand that?
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do you understand that?

    Tar Sands Basics

    Tar sands (also referred to as oil sands) are a combination of clay, sand, water, and bitumen, a heavy black viscous oil. Tar sands can be mined and processed to extract the oil-rich bitumen, which is then refined into oil. The bitumen in tar sands cannot be pumped from the ground in its natural state; instead tar sand deposits are mined, usually using strip mining or open pit techniques, or the oil is extracted by underground heating with additional upgrading.
    Keystone XL Pipeline | StateImpact Texas

    For evidence against the transport of tar sands crude, environmentalists point to an event in May 2011, when 21,000 gallons of oil leaked in North Dakota. This was also due to a faulty valve. The State Department says the maximum amount of spillage in a worst-case-scenario of a Keystone Pipeline leak is 2.8 million gallons spread throughout a 1.7 mile area. TransCanada points out that this is significantly smaller than the amount that escaped during the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

    A March 2013 spill of tar-sands bitumen in Mayflower, Arkansas put the Keystone XL pipeline back in the spotlight. An ExxonMobil pipeline carrying tar sands oil from Canada burst, sending more than 12,000 barrels of oil down residential streets and through people’s yards. The pipe was decades old. The spill was categorized as “major” by the Environemntal Protection Agency (EPA) and the cleanup is ongoing.

    The pipeline is often compared to another one built by the Canadian energy company Enbridge, which also transports tar sands crude into the U.S. Enbridge, a competitor of Transcanada, “has actually been transporting these types of products [tar sands crude] since 1999 in our pipelines,” said Denise Hamsher, Enbridge’s head of planning. Despite her claim, Enbridge is not without heavy public scrutiny. In July 2010, one of Enbridge’s pipelines ruptured in southern Michigan. Thousands of gallons of oil sands crude flowed into Talmadge Creek, a tributary of the Kalamazoo River. The event caused the EPA to recommend to the State Department that pipelines carrying tar sands be regulated differently than pipelines that carry other types of oil.

    So, again, I fail to see how this thing is going to help the US.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

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    So, again, I fail to see how this thing is going to help the US.
    You said the tar sands are waste. I guess you proved yourself wrong. Nice job.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You said the tar sands are waste. I guess you proved yourself wrong. Nice job.
    It's the stuff left over from mininng: it's waste.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
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    So, again, I fail to see how this thing is going to help the US.
    Pipelines are the safest of all transport means for petroleum products. The Canadian product will be refined at a U.S. refinery and a significant portion will be distributed in the US.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It's the stuff left over from mininng: it's waste.
    It's the stuff they're mining for.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How did that company benefit from that explosion?
    It benefited up until the explosion. It was betting it could rake in enough profits before anything went wrong to cover any future costs. And it's possible it did.

    The fact it was risking the lives of people in the surrounding community meant nothing to that company, apparently. It calculated the risk/benefit ratio and decided it was in its best interests to overstock the explosive crap.

    That's why we need regulation. What do YOU have to offer that differs?

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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    It benefited up until the explosion. It was betting it could rake in enough profits before anything went wrong to cover any future costs. And it's possible it did.

    The fact it was risking the lives of people in the surrounding community meant nothing to that company, apparently. It calculated the risk/benefit ratio and decided it was in its best interests to overstock the explosive crap.

    That's why we need regulation. What do YOU have to offer that differs?
    Everybody benefitted, up until the explosion.
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's the stuff they're mining for.
    Do you ever actually read anything?

    tar sand deposits are mined, usually using strip mining or open pit techniques, or the oil is extracted by underground heating with additional upgrading
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    Re: Senate nears 60 on Keystone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Pipelines are the safest of all transport means for petroleum products. The Canadian product will be refined at a U.S. refinery and a significant portion will be distributed in the US.

    Tar Sands Action » Key Facts on Keystone XL

    Keystone XL is an export pipeline. According to presentations to investors, Gulf Coast refiners plan to refine the cheap Canadian crude supplied by the pipeline into diesel and other products for export to Europe and Latin America. Proceeds from these exports are earned tax-free. Much of the fuel refined from the pipeline’s heavy crude oil will never reach U.S. drivers’ tanks.
    So this thing benefits the US how?
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