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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    How much does it cost to put panelling around individual showers, like there is in most public places with showers (eg campsites), or unisex toilets/changing rooms? It wouldn't even require much in terms of construction time...
    Why would you want to? If administrators truely believe that these boys are really girls than there should be no need to separate them. This is where the rubber meets the road. If we are going to accept that boys who identify as girls are really girl with a dick, than let them shower with your daughter. If it makes you uncomfortable than you are lying to yourself about where you actually stand on politics vs reality. Not meaning you specifically, iangb, just generally. Building different facilities admits that they are not girls.

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    That's all that high school is anymore, since learning sure as hell doesn't take place. It's just throwing a bunch of psycho/socio paths in with some innocent kids who deserve better, and see who can escape without PTSD.

    But what really doesn't belong in a learning environment is bigotry and intolerance.
    So you're ok with teenage boys with feminine behaviors showering with your daughter?

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I mean other than folks that subscribe to this nonsense, is there really that much of an outcry to accommodate this stupidity?Tim-
    I mean other than folks that subscribe to this racial equality nonsense, is there really that much of an outcry to accommodate this stupidity?
    I mean other than folks that subscribe to this gender equality nonsense, is there really that much of an outcry to accommodate this stupidity?

    Your argument is old and worn. Time to upgrade to better thinking.
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    So you're ok with teenage boys with feminine behaviors showering with your daughter?
    I am ok with any individual born in a male body who has been carefully diagnosed as having GID or whatever the title is now showering with my daughter. Whether or not that individual is attracted to my daughter sexually or not isn't going to matter since those born in female bodies with attractions to females will also most likely be in there with my daughter. The odds of either (in terms of being attracted to my daughter) actually being in there are low and the odds of them doing anything were they in there, are lower.
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Why not just have stalls where people can get dressed/undressed and shower in privacy?

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I am ok with any individual born in a male body who has been carefully diagnosed as having GID or whatever the title is now showering with my daughter. Whether or not that individual is attracted to my daughter sexually or not isn't going to matter since those born in female bodies with attractions to females will also most likely be in there with my daughter. The odds of either (in terms of being attracted to my daughter) actually being in there are low and the odds of them doing anything were they in there, are lower.
    Have you ever asked your daughter what she thinks about it?

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I see a lot of people, including you, expressing their views but I've seen nothing...except speculation...that indicates how the children, themselves, react to this kind of thing. Maybe nobody really cares about them, eh?
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    The interesting aspect of this is allowing a trans kid to participate on the sports team of identified gender. Some will be up in arms about this being unfair (especially if MtF), but a lot of trans kids started out with ambiguous gender at birth, where the doctors and parents rush to choose one gender. Sometimes, obviously, they get it wrong. Why should the kid then be unable to compete in sports?
    That is actually the issue in the original article, although the op took us in a way different direction.

    There are female athletes these days who get banned from events because the organizers decide they are actually male.
    (Here's an example: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/07/sp...one-level.html

    "Last summer, Chand, India’s 100-meter champion in the 18-and-under category, was barred from competing against women. She has a condition called hyperandrogenism, and her body produces natural levels of testosterone so high that they place her in the male range in the eyes of international track and field."

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    So is letting transgender teams play on the teams of the gender they identify with give them an extra advantage? We want kids to play sports (if they want to); but we also want the games as fair as possible. On the other hand, this is high school level, and on most teams it shouldn't matter if they win or lose, but how they play. (Texas football, of course, is a totally different thing...)

    The woman in the article I linked to sure thinks of herself as female and has been treated as female all her life. (like you said, at birth it isn't always obvious). But now she can't compete as a female.

    It's all tough. But in high school, I would think we should lean in the direction of leniency and let the kids play on the team with the gender they self-identify as. This isn't going to happen all that often; glad the school in the article is willing to be flexible.

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yeah freaking right. Let's not pretend that some FtM wasn't thought of as female by their peers and will suddenly fake being male just to get a glimpse at the guys changing? That is nowhere near the price of ridicule and possible sexual harassment that would be in store. I just can't imagine anyone faking this.
    I knew boys in highschool who would join the chearleading squad just to put their hand on a cheerleaders ass. Dispite the ridicule of beign a male cheerleader. Sadly there would be extreme perverts whos desire outweighs embarrassment.
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Have you ever asked your daughter what she thinks about it?

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I see a lot of people, including you, expressing their views but I've seen nothing...except speculation...that indicates how the children, themselves, react to this kind of thing. Maybe nobody really cares about them, eh?
    I'm a children! I think this is a bad idea, personally. Mostly for reasons like the one in Chris's post, right above mine.
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    So you're ok with teenage boys with feminine behaviors showering with your daughter?
    Finally, I'll get to see boobs that aren't on a computer!
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