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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    That is a possibility- with parental consent of course.

    Maybe we should also have comprehensive vouchers that would enable parents to choose the schools with the bath room policies and academic curriculumn that they most agree with.
    I'm for families teaching this. Society could do as they are doing and emphasize that gender roles aren't that big of a deal. Families who don't approve of this can home school or private school their children.
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They address a lot of issues, since you can easily cover up prior to leaving the shower stall. No one sees your private parts if you are covered.

    It wouldn't be just for transgendered students. It would be for getting students to be more comfortable in the showers.

    Maybe we should just teach children to be more comfortable around nakedness to begin with, then it wouldn't matter at all to begin with.
    Good grief, have you never been in a locker room? And yes, requiring showers used to be how we taught folks not to be uncomfortable with same sex nudity. That is unacceptable now I guess.

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Good grief, have you never been in a locker room? And yes, requiring showers used to be how we taught folks not to be uncomfortable with same sex nudity. That is unacceptable now I guess.
    Obviously it didn't work now did it? That is likely due to the fact that so many Americans have this stupid issue with nudity and teach it to their children. I haven't had much of an issue at all showering or getting undressed in front of others due mainly to my mother who was very unconcerned with being naked. She would answer the door in a towel or even naked because it wasn't a big deal to her. It was just a body. I was told she has always felt this way, even when she was younger.

    There really isn't any reason students/people should feel uncomfortable with opposite sex nudity, especially in a showering environment. It is just a body.
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That wasn't what was being discussed. Your family does have a much bigger influence on our social learning than the rest of the world, especially during the formative years, which begin prior to when it is healthy to allow children to watch a lot of TV, particularly TV that would be most likely to try to enforce or influence gender roles. If you have a strong foundation of gender roles not being that big of a deal, then it is highly unlikely that this view will be changed by TV viewing, no matter what TV shows. Considering any family is going to take the time to downplay gender roles is likely to not allow those teachings to be undermined by outside influences, I don't see that as an issue.

    And TV doesn't teach us to hate people who are different or do not conform to social gender roles, that would be family who does that.
    Most all of that is inaccurate to say the least. Since the advent of television it has been used as a babysitter for young children. What the heck do you think cartoons were for. It was one of initial selling points of TV, to teach children. The censorship boards, the seven never say words, separate beds in sitcoms, all because TV was for children and we don't want them picking up those nasties.

    Certainly your parents took you out when you were very young. Billboards, how you saw people around you interacting with one another, what people wore, how they treated you as opposed to others, like boys, ALL that had a hand in teaching you about gender roles.

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Obviously it didn't work now did it? That is likely due to the fact that so many Americans have this stupid issue with nudity and teach it to their children. I haven't had much of an issue at all showering or getting undressed in front of others due mainly to my mother who was very unconcerned with being naked. She would answer the door in a towel or even naked because it wasn't a big deal to her. It was just a body. I was told she has always felt this way, even when she was younger.

    There really isn't any reason students/people should feel uncomfortable with opposite sex nudity, especially in a showering environment. It is just a body.
    It worked just fine until some nimrods decided to do away with it.

    As to that last, I agree with you, but then I come from a day and place when we had a shared outhouse at home and no swimming pools or bathing suits.

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Most all of that is inaccurate to say the least. Since the advent of television it has been used as a babysitter for young children. What the heck do you think cartoons were for. It was one of initial selling points of TV, to teach children. The censorship boards, the seven never say words, separate beds in sitcoms, all because TV was for children and we don't want them picking up those nasties.

    Certainly your parents took you out when you were very young. Billboards, how you saw people around you interacting with one another, what people wore, how they treated you as opposed to others, like boys, ALL that had a hand in teaching you about gender roles.
    No, it has only been used as a "babysitter" to certain parents, and even then, most of those control what their children watch. The majority of TV shows for small children (which is the age where these things are learned) are not going to emphasize gender roles. It simply won't be a big deal. This is especially true now days. I've watched children's TV quite often with my children. Not a whole lot of gender roles teaching going on. (Although there is actually a lot of the opposite being emphasized, that children can do and be who they want to be.)

    Going out you still would not see as much as you would learn from your family. Most hate and/or intolerance is taught by families. You are trying to shift blame. Is there a reason for this?

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It worked just fine until some nimrods decided to do away with it.

    As to that last, I agree with you, but then I come from a day and place when we had a shared outhouse at home and no swimming pools or bathing suits.
    Many of those "nimrods" are the same ones who don't want transgendered students in those showers/restrooms.
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Obviously it didn't work now did it? That is likely due to the fact that so many Americans have this stupid issue with nudity and teach it to their children. I haven't had much of an issue at all showering or getting undressed in front of others due mainly to my mother who was very unconcerned with being naked. She would answer the door in a towel or even naked because it wasn't a big deal to her. It was just a body. I was told she has always felt this way, even when she was younger.

    There really isn't any reason students/people should feel uncomfortable with opposite sex nudity, especially in a showering environment. It is just a body.
    I don't like locker rooms and such; when I was swimming daily at a community pool - at lunch - I did the naked/group shower thing because I had to get the chlorine off. But I admit it would have been better had I never had such hangups.

    Anyone watch Battlestar Galactica? Where men and women shared quarters and bathrooms and showers? Sure wish we could get there.

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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I don't like locker rooms and such; when I was swimming daily at a community pool - at lunch - I did the naked/group shower thing because I had to get the chlorine off. But I admit it would have been better had I never had such hangups.

    Anyone watch Battlestar Galactica? Where men and women shared quarters and bathrooms and showers? Sure wish we could get there.
    Starship Troopers is the famous one for it. I have no real issue with such things. I have been the only woman changing with a bunch of men before while in the Navy. Sometimes you have to just suck it up.
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    Re: Schools propose: Let boys into girls locker rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ah, but lets just say that it does say that, you would not be in favor of that, correct?

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    No, I would not be in favour of some blogger's fantasy about the girls shower room actually happening. What about you? What if, say, a girl declared her/himself to be transgendered- would you let her/him shower with the boys?
    Pretty dumb scenario, innit?
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