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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    From all indications, that is exactly what the GOP intends to do. I haven't heard much at all about abortion, gays, religion, etc., since the election. I HAVE heard about Keystone, getting the money that's sitting overseas back home and things like that.

    Obama, on the other hand, wants to pay attention to the less important social issues and minimize the fiscal issues...kind of like he has been doing for the last 5 or 6 years.

    By your thinking, that's why his polling is in the dumpster and makes it likely...if he doesn't get smart...that the Democrats WILL be in trouble in 2016. Unless, of course, you think it's okay for the Democrats to push social issues while it's not okay for the GOP to do so.
    Not at all on that last. Just a straightforward assessment. One of the reasons I cut bait and went to the independents years ago was that the republicans had forgotten all about fiscal issues, doubling down on spending while trying to pacify their voters with social issues they so obviously didn't believe in and were just using as a distraction.

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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the GOP uses that as its campaign slogan in 2016 I predict that the GOP will lose.
    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you project that the GOP would lose in the election just ended?

    The voters aren't saying they like Congress. But given the revelation this past week, another incident coming out just today, that the Obama Administration private admitted that the only reason that they managed to pass the ACA is because the American voters are stupid, I think it is safe to say that the American voters are just plain tired of being lied to:

    1. Obama promised the most transparent government ever. We got the most secretive and opaque government ever.
    2. Obama promised no earmarks in appropriations bills. But no appropriations bill has been passed yet that didn't contain dozens, hundreds, or thousands of them and he has yet to veto one of them.
    3. Obama promised premiums reduced by thousands, if we like our insurance plan we can keep it, if we like our doctor we can keep him/her, etc. etc. etc. when he was selling the ACA. Every thing he promised has turned out to be a lie.
    4. Obama portrayed himself as the great messiah who would lift up the downtrodden and oppressed. But the very folks he was speaking to have seen, on average, their situations significantly worsen.
    5. Obama promised fiscal responsibility and reform. We have had anything but.

    At some point, smart people figure out that flowery speeches, grandiose promises, and smoke and mirrors just don't get the job done and do something about it. That happened at the polls this month.

    Maybe those who still haven't figured it out really are stupid?
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    No I will agree that the Democrats never take an extreme right wing position and then veer to the middle.

    But suggesting there is no hiding of the true nature of the communist policies, suggesting they are more honest is an outright ****ing lie?

    "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, and nobody can take that away!' before the election became "I never said that, what I said was you can keep your plan until the insurance companies change it" and even that was an outright ****ing lie.

    And then there was voting "present".....

    so your claim is about as honest as Obama at his worst, and we can add cowardice to the list of misinformation and bull**** posturing. If you want to quantify it, there are 44 clips of Obama claiming one thing, and then "veering to the center" when caught red handed
    You essentially are taking what I said backwards. My comments addressed the political BS during the campaigns; not the fact that politicians lie during the campaign in order to win the election and then govern the way they darned well please.. My point was that the reppublicants change much more drastically between what they say during the primary, in order to win that contest, and what they say during the general election to try to win that separate election contest.

    Obama did not say one thing to beat Hillary in the primary and then yet another to beat McCain in the general but McCain's message changed considerably between the primary (down playing his amnesty stance and pretending to be for small gov't) and the general incuding rushing back to DC to help direct the massive dole out of TARP money. Yet again, in 2011 we saw Romney deperately try to play conservative (super pro-business man) and try to deny that RomneyCare was much like ObamaCare and then in the general he tried to play centrist and claim that he was a regular (non-millionaire or 1%) guy and OK wih massive social spending (but at the state level).
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    From all indications, that is exactly what the GOP intends to do. I haven't heard much at all about abortion, gays, religion, etc., since the election. I HAVE heard about Keystone, getting the money that's sitting overseas back home and things like that.

    Obama, on the other hand, wants to pay attention to the less important social issues and minimize the fiscal issues...kind of like he has been doing for the last 5 or 6 years.

    By your thinking, that's why his polling is in the dumpster and makes it likely...if he doesn't get smart...that the Democrats WILL be in trouble in 2016. Unless, of course, you think it's okay for the Democrats to push social issues while it's not okay for the GOP to do so.
    Greetings, Mycroft.

    I think the American people are very "social-issues" weary now after spending six years of hearing about them, and now want to have their pocketbook issues addressed immediately - if I gauge the mood of the mid-term voter correctly. We need jobs that pay a decent wage, and with all the infrastructure that needs to be updated and brought into the 21st Century, surely that can be a start to providing jobs for those that want to work. I even believe the unions would be behind that, if it can be fairly and equally accomplished, since that would benefit all of us.

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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Why did the GOP lose the last 2 presidential elections?
    For one reason Obama lied and lied and lied and lied.

    Transparency, ACA, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Somebody else made that happen...

    Well, you get the picture.
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Mycroft.

    I think the American people are very "social-issues" weary now after spending six years of hearing about them, and now want to have their pocketbook issues addressed immediately - if I gauge the mood of the mid-term voter correctly. We need jobs that pay a decent wage, and with all the infrastructure that needs to be updated and brought into the 21st Century, surely that can be a start to providing jobs for those that want to work. I even believe the unions would be behind that, if it can be fairly and equally accomplished, since that would benefit all of us.
    Greetings Ms. P,

    Jobs creation instead of paying people not to work; now there's an idea.
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Greetings Ms. P,

    Jobs creation instead of paying people not to work; now there's an idea.
    Greetings, Mo.

    Radical, huh? Sometimes you just gotta think outside the box! :

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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Greetings Ms. P,

    Jobs creation instead of paying people not to work; now there's an idea.
    Imagine that!

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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    #1. There is no 'democrat' party.

    #2. I don't know what the Democratic Party thinks, but I believe that if the GOP doesn't do anything about America's immigration problems it will be in big trouble in future elections.

    Don't take my word for this, just wait and see. November, 2016 will be here before you know it.
    Two completely irrelevant points regarding the OP. Noted. And in November 2016 Obama will still be President, and it's doubtful he'll be looking real good to the public then......and that will likely rub off on the Dems' Presidential candidate especially if it's Hillary.
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Two completely irrelevant points regarding the OP. Noted. And in November 2016 Obama will still be President, and it's doubtful he'll be looking real good to the public then......and that will likely rub off on the Dems' Presidential candidate especially if it's Hillary.
    The 2016 election very well could be a repeat of the 2008 election...with the Parties reversed.
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