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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You do realize that the Democrats were the minority party in the House and had a paper thin majority in the senate... right?
    You do realize the Democrats still control the senate, right?

    Which makes any analysis of congress' job approval a reflection of Republicans as much as it is on Democratic job approval? Right?
    Nope, it doesn't mean that at all! I mean seriously dude, it's like the 2014 election never happened in your head. If you want to know if the low applies equally to both parties then look at the final tallies! Democrats were destroyed in 2014. Obliously the American people had a far bigger issue with Democrat performance than they did Republican.

    Now, you didn't really address anything. I asked ​Are job approval and party approval comparable?
    Yes, they are. The polls point to the American people having a serious issue with Democrats in congress, and the election proved that to be true.

    Your red herring is noted. Now go try it on someone who hasn't been on the forum 8x as long as you have.
    Sorry, you are the one waving your hands and ignoring the brutal losses by Democrats a mere week and a half ago. It is hard to take you seriously when you try and spin the polls as the public blaming both parties equally when they so obviously don't. You sound like the sad clowns at MSNBC trumpeting the crucial victory of Democrats in Pennsylvania on Election night.

    It's only going to get worse for the Democrats as we have their leadership caught in endless lies this week trying to cover the constant flow of Gruber videos and a full scale civil war building in the DNC with Hillary and Bill squaring off against Obama/Warren/Reid/Left-wing blogosphere.

    I mean, if it helps you sleep at night then feel free to believe your absurd spin on the polls and the election outcome, buut don't expect the rest of us to buy it.
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You do realize the Democrats still control the senate, right?
    Irrelevant, job approval of congress is a reflection of both parties when 1 party controls the senate (with a paper thin minority) and the other controls the house with a sizeable majority.

    Nope, it doesn't mean that at all! I mean seriously dude, it's like the 2014 election never happened in your head. If you want to know if the low applies equally to both parties then look at the final tallies! Democrats were destroyed in 2014. Obliously the American people had a far bigger issue with Democrat performance than they did Republican.
    It's like you're not really comprehending what is being said. Congress job approval has nothing to do with party approval. You realize this right?

    Yes, they are. The polls point to the American people having a serious issue with Democrats in congress, and the election proved that to be true.
    Ummm, no they really aren't.

    Sorry, you are the one waving your hands and ignoring the brutal losses by Democrats a mere week and a half ago. It is hard to take you seriously when you try and spin the polls as the public blaming both parties equally when they so obviously don't. You sound like the sad clowns at MSNBC trumpeting the crucial victory of Democrats in Pennsylvania on Election night.
    Am I? Have you ever heard the word strawman?

    It's only going to get worse for the Democrats as we have their leadership caught in endless lies this week trying to cover the constant flow of Gruber videos and a full scale civil war building in the DNC with Hillary and Bill squaring off against Obama/Warren/Reid/Left-wing blogosphere.

    I mean, if it helps you sleep at night then feel free to believe your absurd spin on the polls and the election outcome, buut don't expect the rest of us to buy it.
    Repeating this doesn't make it any more relevant. So, you're saying that job approval and party approval are the same thing? Yes?
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I agree, I just found the comparison a bit weird. Party approval and job approval have nothing to do with each other.
    Politics is a game of comparing apples to oranges.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Politics is a game of comparing apples to oranges.
    Yep, but Breitbart styled journalism seems to be trying to put a veil over people's eyes. About a week ago they got caught trying to tarnish Loretta Lynch's reputation by associating her with the Clintons. Now they're trying to make it seem like job approval and party approval are the same thing. I don't really approve of the job Democrats are doing. I do however agree with the Democrat stances on a lot of issues. According to this issue, if I approve of the party, I also approve of the job they're doing. That's what this article leads one to believe. That's just bad writing.
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Historically you can see from this graph that every time republican favourability goes above the democrats, it's taken them less than a year to screw it all up and they're back down below. Lets see if history repeats itself before waxing lyrical.
    I think you underestimate how much Obama has ruined the democrat party brand.

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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yep, but Breitbart styled journalism seems to be trying to put a veil over people's eyes. About a week ago they got caught trying to tarnish Loretta Lynch's reputation by associating her with the Clintons. Now they're trying to make it seem like job approval and party approval are the same thing. That's just bad writing.
    Being associated with the Clinton's, at least the presidency of Bill Clinton is a good thing to most Americans. Job approval of a president might have something to do with party affiliation but that really hasn't been proven either. But I place more emphasis on party affiliation/identification than party favorability because that is factored into Party affiliation already.

    I think when it comes to a president's approval rating and the opposing candidate favorable rating, those are basically apples to apples and oranges to oranges. But definitely not a political parties favorable rating vs. a presidential approval rating.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Being associated with the Clinton's, at least the presidency of Bill Clinton is a good thing to most Americans. Job approval of a president might have something to do with party affiliation but that really hasn't been proven either. But I place more emphasis on party affiliation/identification than party favorability because that is factored into Party affiliation already.

    I think when it comes to a president's approval rating and the opposing candidate favorable rating, those are basically apples to apples and oranges to oranges. But definitely not a political parties favorable rating vs. a presidential approval rating.
    Who says people of different ideologies can't agree?
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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who says people of different ideologies can't agree?
    If one lives in the world of reality and common sense it is easy. But if one lives in the world of talking points, slogans, half truths, down right lies and political party propaganda, forget an agreeing of the minds. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that presidential approval ratings and political party favorability ratings are entirely two different things.

    Now we may disagree on certain issues and that disagreement will probably on substance or how one views the issue through their own eyes. Not because a political party tells us what to think and what stance to take on an issue. They is way too much of the later and not enough of the first.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I think you underestimate how much Obama has ruined the democrat party brand.
    The democratic party got knocked down. It doesn't mean that the republicans got taller.

    Going by the graph you posted, the republicans approval rating is at 42, only 1 pt higher than the democrats previous low. And you're proud of this??? I would wait until you've enacted some positive change in the country before yelling to the skies. And in the (IMO unlikely) case that the republican number does continue to rise, then well done republicans, that's what your job is and you are doing it well. The wellbeing of the American people is far more important than which party is in charge.

    Frankly I'd be happiest if both of those lines were at 100%, that would indicate that we have 2 parties that everybody approves of, and they just have different ways of approaching problems. It would indicate trust in our elected officials. The graph shows that a total additive approval of over 100% is possible so there can be simultaneous approval of both the republican and democratic party, why not aim for that? A decrease in either parties approval should be disappointing to those who have a stake in politics, not lauded as a trophy over the opposing party (even if, as in this case, the trophy is really really small).
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