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Haley Barbour apologizes after calling Obama’s policies ‘tar babies’

Rocket...what is a "tar baby"?

The Tar-Baby is a fictional character in the second of the Uncle Remus stories published in 1881; it is a doll made of tar and turpentine used to entrap Br'er Rabbit. The more that Br'er Rabbit fights the Tar-Baby, the more entangled he becomes.

In modern usage, "tar baby" refers to any "sticky situation" that is only aggravated by additional contact.

Tar-Baby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He knew what he was saying, and where it was coming from. Or he's an ignoramus. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not saying that he said anything racist. I'm saying that he either knew there was racial baggage because of the Uncle Remus connection, or he's a Rangel-class dummy who should think before he opens his mouth.
 
"tar baby" is a problematical expression which it's better not to use because it offends quite a few people.

Anyone who uses this term is asking for trouble.
To be honest, the only people offended by that term are not very bright. Kind of like the ones who think "niggardly" is offensive. We e need to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.
 
He's a skilled politician who knew (or should have known) the connotations to his word choices. I can buy that he didn't choose his words carefully, but he didn't apologize for that. He was sorry that people took offense which is a different thing altogether.

His intention was to say that there were issues nobody wanted to touch. He also knew that his word choice was going to get his name in the news again, or he completely **** the bed and isn't as skilled of a politician as I gave him credit for.

I have to disagree with you here. Haley Barbour is a plain spoken man who doesn't give a rat's ass about the elites on the left who spend their entire day desperately searching for someone on the right to offend them. It's a bloody cottage industry, with professional offendees floating around waiting to explode in fake outrage. One has to wonder how your great country survived 200+ years without imploding from the heartbreak of offense.
 
Tar-Baby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He knew what he was saying, and where it was coming from. Or he's an ignoramus. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not saying that he said anything racist. I'm saying that he either knew there was racial baggage because of the Uncle Remus connection, or he's a Rangel-class dummy who should think before he opens his mouth.

As I said earlier, in post #19:

The Oxford American Dictionary defines tar baby as "a difficult problem, that is only aggravated by attempts to solve it."

That is perfectly in step with what Haley Barbour said, period.

The left doesn't get to co-opt the English language and eliminate word usage based on their tender hearts.
 
I have to disagree with you here. Haley Barbour is a plain spoken man who doesn't give a rat's ass about the elites on the left who spend their entire day desperately searching for someone on the right to offend them. It's a bloody cottage industry, with professional offendees floating around waiting to explode in fake outrage. One has to wonder how your great country survived 200+ years without imploding from the heartbreak of offense.

It's a cottage industry on both sides. The same people (in most, but not all cases) who were losing their **** over Charley Rangel saying "cracker" are the ones defending this. But it's all the same, it's fake partisan outrage.

Haley Barbour didn't get where he is without being a good politician. You don't get to be the chairman of the RNC by being a plain spoken man who doesn't give a rats ass. He's good at making people think he's a plain spoken man who doesn't give a rats ass.

He knew the racial connotations, and he said it knowing "the scary evil left" would get offended and he'd look like a hero to people who don't know better. Or he's too dumb to notice, but I don't think that a 2 term governor of Mississippi and former RNC chair is that dumb.
 
It's a cottage industry on both sides. The same people (in most, but not all cases) who were losing their **** over Charley Rangel saying "cracker" are the ones defending this. But it's all the same, it's fake partisan outrage.

Haley Barbour didn't get where he is without being a good politician. You don't get to be the chairman of the RNC by being a plain spoken man who doesn't give a rats ass. He's good at making people think he's a plain spoken man who doesn't give a rats ass.

He knew the racial connotations, and he said it knowing "the scary evil left" would get offended and he'd look like a hero to people who don't know better. Or he's too dumb to notice, but I don't think that a 2 term governor of Mississippi and former RNC chair is that dumb.

Sorry Rocket - the only people seeing racism here are the ones who continually claim racial bias whenever a negative word is spoken about Obama and his Presidency. It's a knee jerk reaction, perhaps because more and more people on the left are ashamed of having voted for the disaster twice.
 
Tar-Baby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He knew what he was saying, and where it was coming from. Or he's an ignoramus. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not saying that he said anything racist. I'm saying that he either knew there was racial baggage because of the Uncle Remus connection, or he's a Rangel-class dummy who should think before he opens his mouth.
You dont know that, nor do you believe it to be true yourself. Its beyond comical that you yourself know it is not a racist term and are not saying what he said was racist, but HE...boy...HE knew and knew and he INTENDED for it to be racist.

Geeeeeeeee zus.
 
Tar-Baby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He knew what he was saying, and where it was coming from. Or he's an ignoramus. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not saying that he said anything racist. I'm saying that he either knew there was racial baggage because of the Uncle Remus connection, or he's a Rangel-class dummy who should think before he opens his mouth.

There is no "racial baggage" to Uncle Remus. There is only perfectly acceptable racial heritage.
 
You dont know that, nor do you believe it to be true yourself. Its beyond comical that you yourself know it is not a racist term and are not saying what he said was racist, but HE...boy...HE knew and knew and he INTENDED for it to be racist.

Geeeeeeeee zus.

All my life I've understood what a tar-baby is and remain astonished that a few think it's a racist term. After Googling about and checking the OED too, I realize that there are morons who use it as a racist epithet. But I've never met someone who does and also have never heard or read of "tar-baby" used in such a context.

I've wondered if part of what's going on here is regional. Maybe Tres and others are unfamiliar with the "Uncle Remus" stories and their author, who was no racist, LOL. But Haley Barbour surely would be familiar with the term and would, in my opinion, surely be using the ordinarily-understood meaning.

I am very sorry that a few see racism in everything and am just as sorry that some don't recognize a well-known literary reference, a term employed by Mark Twain too.

But this makes me want to begin using a beloved word I gave up long ago because I wanted to be exquisitely sensitive. I remember exactly where I was the last time I said "niggardly" and saw the shocked faces of my audience.

I'm tired of the exquisitely sensitive crap. I stopped using the term "gypped" the second I learned its origin and how dreadfully insulting it is. I sincerely and frequently use the term "other-abled" rather than "disabled."

But yikes, people are having fits over "tar-baby"? You know, enough. "Niggardly" is a fabulous word, so Silas Marner and Scrooge. "Tar-baby" describes perfectly a sticky situation from which you cannot extricate yourself because the more you struggle, the more trapped you become.

Maybe instead of continuing to dumb down the language and therefore the way we conceptualize, we should smarten up.

Here's what the Chair of the Black Caucus says: Black Caucus chairman defends Barbour
 
You dont know that, nor do you believe it to be true yourself. Its beyond comical that you yourself know it is not a racist term and are not saying what he said was racist, but HE...boy...HE knew and knew and he INTENDED for it to be racist.

Geeeeeeeee zus.

He intended to stir the pot, and succeeded. 2016 is coming. If he makes himself a folksy RW hero....
 
Maybe instead of continuing to dumb down the language and therefore the way we conceptualize, we should smarten up.

Would you say we should do the same with the term "cracker?"

It's faux partisan rage in both cases.
 
Would you say we should do the same with the term "cracker?"

It's faux partisan rage in both cases.

If Charlie Rangel had used the word cracker to describe a biscuit often eaten with cheese, it wouldn't be the slightest bit racist, even though it does have racial undertones. Your equating the two doesn't serve you well.

Context is everything when parsing language.
 
If Charlie Rangel had used the word cracker to describe a biscuit often eaten with cheese, it wouldn't be the slightest bit racist, even though it does have racial undertones. Your equating the two doesn't serve you well.

Context is everything when parsing language.

Sure, but that's mostly partisan faux-rage directed at a Democrat. Same as this.
 
Sure, but that's mostly partisan faux-rage directed at a Democrat. Same as this.

Well, go ahead and post the comment made by Rangel and the comment made by Barbour and we can parse the language and the context and we can see which is on its face offensive and which requires a need to be offended to find offense.

I don't recall Rangel's exact comments - do you?
 
Sure, but that's mostly partisan faux-rage directed at a Democrat. Same as this.

Here's one of the comments from Rangel, to help you out:

“It is the same group we faced in the South with those white crackers and the dogs and the police."

Do you believe that Charlie was discussing biscuits? Fireworks? Party favors? Or do you believe like most people that Charlie was using a racial slur to accentuate the forcefulness of his point?

And here's the comment from Barbour:

"there is no one who will run for president who will endorse Obama’s issues, because Obama’s issues are ‘tar babies.’”

Do you believe Barbour was calling Obama a tar baby? Or do you believe, like most people, that Barbour was describing the political suicide a Democrat candidate would take if he/she was to run for President endorsing 4 more years of Obama's mess?
 
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He intended to stir the pot, and succeeded. 2016 is coming. If he makes himself a folksy RW hero....

Riiiiiiight. Its NOT racist...but, as long as he intentionally presents himself AS racist, he might have a shot in 2016.

:lamo
 
Riiiiiiight. Its NOT racist...but, as long as he intentionally presents himself AS racist, he might have a shot in 2016.

:lamo

Just wait for his announcement. He doesn't have a very good chance of getting the nod, but he'll definitely be able to make some noise if he endears himself to the TP.
 
Here's one of the comments from Rangel, to help you out:

“It is the same group we faced in the South with those white crackers and the dogs and the police."

Do you believe that Charlie was discussing biscuits? Fireworks? Party favors? Or do you believe like most people that Charlie was using a racial slur to accentuate the forcefulness of his point?

And here's the comment from Barbour:

"there is no one who will run for president who will endorse Obama’s issues, because Obama’s issues are ‘tar babies.’”

Do you believe Barbour was calling Obama a tar baby? Or do you believe, like most people, that Barbour was describing the political suicide a Democrat candidate would take if he/she was to run for President endorsing 4 more years of Obama's mess?

That doesn't change the fact that what really rankled the right about Rangel is that he's a Democrat, and what rankled the left about Barbour is that he is a Republican.
 
Just wait for his announcement. He doesn't have a very good chance of getting the nod, but he'll definitely be able to make some noise if he endears himself to the TP.

And he will endear himself to the right by using rhetoric that you cant even bring yourself to define as racist.

:roll:
 
A "Tar Baby" is something that convinces someone to attack it and then once the attacker is committed, entraps the attacker. Only a dimwit would think that it's racist term...

The term is not. But you both know damned well the inference.
 
Barbour is from the South and an experienced politician. He fully knows better than to use such a term. It's as moronic and stupid as Rangels BS explanation.

How do these people get elected is what I want to know...

Justabubba is right. the analogy makes sense. we have to end this PC BS
 
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