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New York doctor cleared of Ebola, which means there are no known cases in US [W:115]

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clownboy said:
Yes, by studying the infectious control protocols developed by the CDC itself. I don't know why the CDC makes such protocols if they're going to abandon them in the face of politics but they have become a political org over the years I've subscribed to JAMA. Don't know why we would trust a trial judge to judge medical necessity in the first place. In this case the state medical board should have made the determination. Which btw they did when they quarantined her.
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Given that quarantine is a restriction of one's liberties without due process it is as much a legal question as a medical one. The Federal government and the states certainly have the legal authority to quarantine people but that doesn't mean that power can go unchallenged. It was completely appropriate for Hickox to challenge the order if she felt it wrong. I'd further point out that generally speaking Federal law here trumps state law here so the CDC saying that the quarantine isn't medically necessary is legally significant.

I don't know anything about the issue from a medical standpoint and I don't know what protocols the CDC uses and under what circumstances they're used. If they say they weren't needed, and I have to assume that the CDC is run by rational people who really don't want to see an ebola outbreak here, then for the time being that's good enough for me. If you can point me to evidence to the opposite I'd be more than happy to read it.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
And the available science says she should have stayed quarantined. Because had she been viral, she would be happily infecting others.
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What available science? As I've stated the CDC says otherwise. So does the NE Journal of Medicine. As far as I can tell the available science says the NY and NJ overreacted.
 
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beefheart said:
....because had she been a puma, she would be happily eating children...
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Thanks for proving my point. Had people like you been in charge, we quite possibly would have thousands of dead and dying in the streets.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Thanks for proving my point. Had people like you been in charge, we quite possibly would have thousands of dead and dying in the streets.
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No, I would have reacted logically, not "ohmygodwehavetodosomething!!!!"
 
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beefheart said:
No, I would have reacted logically, not "ohmygodwehavetodosomething!!!!"
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Like I said, people like you get people killed.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Like I said, people like you get people killed.
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People like you become dictators...and get people killed.

You let hysteria govern your thoughts, not reason.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
She might have. She was willing to roll the dice with other peoples health.
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You do realize that people who don't vaccinate do the exact same thing right? Are you now in favor of government forced vaccinations?
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Gee, I didn't hear him cry like a baby like the nurse did.
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False equivalence. The Doctor had ebola and thus his life was at risk and the health of those around him was at risk; the nurse did not have ebola and thus was not a threat to anyone.
 
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upsideguy said:
False equivalence. The Doctor had ebola and thus his life was at risk and the health of those around him was at risk; the nurse did not have ebola and thus was not a threat to anyone.
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And the whole idea of the quarantine was to see if she had it.
 
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Hatuey said:
You do realize that people who don't vaccinate do the exact same thing right? Are you now in favor of government forced vaccinations?
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Not even the same thing.
 
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beefheart said:
People like you become dictators...and get people killed.

You let hysteria govern your thoughts, not reason.
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So you are suggesting no banning of flights, no quarantines, no diagnosis just let them in. No questions asked.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
So you are suggesting no banning of flights, no quarantines, no diagnosis just let them in. No questions asked.
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There are zero flights already from the three affected countries to the US. Not even same plane service.

There never were any non stops from those countries.

So...you want to ban all flights where someone from one of those three countries can connect from?

Good luck with that...shut down the economy while you are at it.
 
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beefheart said:
There are zero flights already from the three affected countries to the US. Not even same plane service.

There never were any non stops from those countries.

So...you want to ban all flights where someone from one of those three countries can connect from?

Good luck with that...shut down the economy while you are at it.
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I really cant believe you are that hard headed when it comes to the health of the American people. Wow.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I really cant believe you are that hard headed when it comes to the health of the American people. Wow.
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That isn't an answer.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
And the whole idea of the quarantine was to see if she had it.
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There are other much less onerous ways to do that. Like monitoring her for symptoms while she continues to live her life.
 
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Gaius46 said:
There are other much less onerous ways to do that. Like monitoring her for symptoms while she continues to live her life.
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Yea, you are right. How dare public health officials show any care about the public. Let her infect the rest of us.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Yes it is.
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Which flights would you ban?

Be specific
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Yea, you are right. How dare public health officials show any care about the public. Let her infect the rest of us.
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Please. Public heath officials - that is the CDC - said quarantine was not medically necessary. What is so hard to understand about that?
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Yea, you are right. How dare public health officials show any care about the public. Let her infect the rest of us.
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Complete appeal to emotion. Claiming that the only way for officials to "show any care" is by removing freedom is assinine.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Complete appeal to emotion. Claiming that the only way for officials to "show any care" is by removing freedom is assinine.
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So "freedom" trumps public safety? Its not like we are talking about the flu or some other bug we have a handle on. Healthy people have died. And in short order.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
So "freedom" trumps public safety? Its not like we are talking about the flu or some other bug we have a handle on. Healthy people have died. And in short order.
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In this case where she is a nurse and qualified to know when she was showing symptoms, yes, her freedom trumps your paranoia. Even the CDC doesn't agree with you and I'll take their word over YOUR paranoia.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
So "freedom" trumps public safety? Its not like we are talking about the flu or some other bug we have a handle on. Healthy people have died. And in short order.
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Where? Not in North America. Come to think of it, if they were healthy, they wouldn't have died.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
So "freedom" trumps public safety? Its not like we are talking about the flu or some other bug we have a handle on. Healthy people have died. And in short order.
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No. They must be balanced. Freedom can only be restricted when there's a compelling to and no less offensive remedies. In this case
quarantine was not medically justified.
 
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