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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

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    Whether they are turned away or not is based upon the individual, not on their being "rich". Despite what you may think, there are ways to pass a camel through the eye of a needle. Sure, it may either take a very large needle or may not be healthy for the camel, but it can be done.
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

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    Apparently, you are totally unaware that the only thing that makes something impossible is believing it to be impossible. People who think something is impossible never find workable solutions.
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Apparently, you are totally unaware that the only thing that makes something impossible is believing it to be impossible. People who think something is impossible never find workable solutions.
    Well, when you have God himself (aka Mr. Impossible) saying that rich have essentially zero chance of getting into Heaven, you know that rich people are sh*t out of luck. It would take a miracle to get a camel through the eye of a needle, and God isn't handing out miracles to the rich.

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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    If you read and comprehended, then you already have the answer. We couldn't as long as the pre-existing operations in Iraq continued.

    I don't even think you really believe this.


    Defend it by allowing enemies to reach our own territory instead of fighting them on theirs or someone else's? Defend it by allow others to subjugate friendly nations and nations with which we have economic connections with? Wow, wouldn't that be great for our economy if we allowed them to fall and shipping routes to interdicted? Defend it by, like we did prior to WWII, we let our defenses and capabilities atrophy and then hope we have time to rebuild them when an enemy, other than the domestic one, rises up?

    No we let europeans fight european wars, and arab fight arab wars. We drill domestically.



    When, in the history of mankind, has anyone ever won a war while on the defensive instead of being able to project offensively? How many of our own people should we be willing to sacrifice because we don't want to project power and stop tyranny and threats before they rise strong enough to actually challenge us? How well did that work out for Britain, France and others during WWII? Did sticking their heads in the sand make Hitler go away?

    We rolled through iraq in a week, both times, they weren't a gathering threat.


    Because people had the unmitigated audacity to have themselves born somewhere other than the US, they don't deserve the same rights and freedoms as Americans? Really, how stupid of them to choose to be born elsewhere.

    If they aren't willing to put thier sons and daughters up for the fight, why should we send ours?



    Did you actually ever serve in combat? Every person who serves are part of a team. Aided means that I was part of the team that was not a direct shooter. In fact I flew upon unarmed aircraft that went into and loitered in combat zones. Every member of that team, be it a clerk, a maintainer, a rifleman, etc, are all essential to the capabilities of the team as a whole and because they are, they share any moral responsibilities for the deaths that the team causes in their official capacity.

    Yes I have. 1c471. Again what was your afsc? You are changing your argument from knowing what it's like to kill someone to "Everyone involved has a moral responsibility". probably a wise choice to back off that argument my brother.


    I could respect him also, if he had simply stopped there. Since he then took actions against and harmful to those still engaged with the enemy, then he became a traitor and not worthy of respect, or, in my opinion, life.

    like specifically?
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    1c471. Again what was your afsc?
    1A5X1 later merged into 1A3X1. I worked on ABCCC (Bookshelf) for awhile. You probably know what it is, unlike many others.
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

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    1A5X1 later merged into 1A3X1. I worked on ABCCC (Bookshelf) for awhile. You probably know what it is, unlike many others.


    Really? When was this?
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    too late to edit, but I can also tell you being in command and control whether airborne or elsewhere is not the same as volleying rounds in the sand.
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Really? When was this?
    96-99, then I was stupid and updated my dream sheet during one of the "we may close, so choose now" times. Then got dumped back to AWACS, that is how I ended up 30,000 feet above an Iraqi desert the night the war started, listening in on all the com traffic.

    So in your opinion, is it easier to enter those zones with a rifle in your hand or to be onboard a lumbering target with no defensive capabilities? Just curious.

    Btw, in reference to you previous post. Where would the US have been had other nations felt the same way from 1776-1781?
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    too late to edit, but I can also tell you being in command and control whether airborne or elsewhere is not the same as volleying rounds in the sand.
    Never claimed it was. Even two people in the same specialty but at different locations will have different experiences. Hell, there were different experiences from one mission to the other.
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    96-99, then I was stupid and updated my dream sheet during one of the "we may close, so choose now" times. Then got dumped back to AWACS, that is how I ended up 30,000 feet above an Iraqi desert the night the war started, listening in on all the com traffic.
    were you ever in the balkans?


    So in your opinion, is it easier to enter those zones with a rifle in your hand or to be onboard a lumbering target with no defensive capabilities? Just curious.

    I wasn't aware the plane ever flew in anything other than low air threat environments. But you are changing your argument here a little aren't you. you claimed ptsd was due to a lack of faith. are you now saying it has to do with perceived danger?



    Btw, in reference to you previous post. Where would the US have been had other nations felt the same way from 1776-1781?

    Did you think any help we got was due to altruism?
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