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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I don't know, that's why I posed the question.
    I assumed when I first heard of him that his injuries probably did have a lot to do with his position. I have not heard his cause of death. I was curious if he finally killed himself or if perhaps he overdid his meds by accident or something.

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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Er.... no. Once they are out, certainly. But so long as servicemembers are in, they don't get 1st Amendment rights to the extent that they use their position and experience to further political sentiment. You cannot, for example, attend a political rally in uniform, use your identity as a selling point when advocating a cause, or use your government email address to solicit donations for a candidate or party. You also are not authorized to publicly go around criticizing your chain of command in any manner likely to lead to damage to good order and discipline.

    You give up part of your 1st Amendment rights when you sign the dotted line. It's part of the deal.
    What?

    1st Amendment = saying anything Good or Bad. If you remove someone's 1st Amendment Rights you're denying them the right to say 'Hey - I like these new BDU's' as well. Keep it straight.

    What you're saying here isn't '1st Amendment Rights' are denied - what you're saying here is 'If what you feel and do is in direct opposition to our bottom line (etc) then we have the right to nix you.

    And that is true for just about ANY business or branch of government - is it not? Yes, It is.

    So - yes - they do have the Right to complain - they do OFTEN [there are proper channels to do so] - but sometimes, depending on how they do this, they do so at the risk of violating code (etc) and accept consequences when it happens. Like in just about anything in which one person is contractually obligated to a greater entity.

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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What?
    Yup. You go through annual training on it, it's on the AFN commercials, all that good stuff.

    1st Amendment = saying anything Good or Bad. If you remove someone's 1st Amendment Rights you're denying them the right to say 'Hey - I like these new BDU's' as well. Keep it straight.
    The First Amendment is usually meant to speak directly to political or religious speech (that's the language of the text). However, your first Amendment rights aren't removed. They are restricted.

    And it's a dang good thing they are, too. In this country we are very serious that we do NOT want a politicized military.

    What you're saying here isn't '1st Amendment Rights' are denied - what you're saying here is 'If what you feel and do is in direct opposition to our bottom line (etc) then we have the right to nix you.
    if by "first amendment right" you mean "I can wear my uniform to a political rally" or "I can use my status as a soldier to advocate for a particular candidate or party", then, yes. That is illegal.

    And that is true for just about ANY business or branch of government - is it not? Yes, It is.
    Well, no. No other employer that I am aware of can throw you in jail for that sort of thing.

    So - yes - they do have the Right to complain - they do OFTEN [there are proper channels to do so]
    Sure. You can request mast. That is why I pointed out that the form that is banned is that which is A) public and B) likely to lead to damage of good order and discipline. Being blatantly disrespectful is also illegal.

    - but sometimes, depending on how they do this, they do so at the risk of violating code (etc) and accept consequences when it happens
    sure. And when you knowingly break the law, that is what you should expect.

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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    As someone who actually went into 'harm's way'- sweet, sanitized for never been's protection, way for referring to a hell on earth- I can say there is a huge difference between knowing the risks and hoping against all hope the fearless leaders who strike photo-op poses on carriers use at least as much thought in why brave young folks are sent into 'harm's way' as into the sell to the citizens who will never go but seem quite certain about it all.

    It seems far too often the leaders fall so short compared to those who never see another sunrise after going into 'harm's way'.

    Gotta love that term... Harm's Way....
    Nice circular speech.

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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    What? Brother could say whatever the **** he wanted, dude signed on the line, and was paralized in the line of duty. We sign on the line for the right for people to have the freedom to say what they want. Even if we don't agree with them. This guy, earned more than most the right to say what he wanted, whether you and I agree with him or not.
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Good riddance to bad rubbish.
    Would you care to expand on that? Or were you just going for "shock value"?

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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What? Brother could say whatever the **** he wanted, dude signed on the line, and was paralized in the line of duty. We sign on the line for the right for people to have the freedom to say what they want. Even if we don't agree with them. This guy, earned more than most the right to say what he wanted, whether you and I agree with him or not.
    I didn't say he couldn't. Whether he deserved respect for his service and had the right to say what he wanted is immaterial. You know as well as I that sometimes there are enemies that are deserving of respect, but they are enemies none the less.

    When he chose to side with evil and those who don't want evil to be fought and destroyed, he made himself the enemy of good people. Period.
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Would you care to expand on that? Or were you just going for "shock value"?
    After returning from war, he choose to side with evil. He spoke out against the fight against evil and further demonstrated a "national selfishness" that made him an enemy to good people. It was his choice. He had earned the right to that choice. But, that does not, in any way, make him right or any less of an enemy to good.
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    Re: Iraq veteran, activist Tomas Young dies at 34

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I didn't say he couldn't. Whether he deserved respect for his service and had the right to say what he wanted is immaterial. You know as well as I that sometimes there are enemies that are deserving of respect, but they are enemies none the less.

    When he chose to side with evil and those who don't want evil to be fought and destroyed, he made himself the enemy of good people. Period.

    evil what now? they aren't the enemy, they are our countrymen and women who happen to disaree with you. Many of them are kooks granted, but I still signed on the line to protect my fellow countrymen, regardless of thier politics.. This guy, paralyzed and ultimately died, from a bullet in iraq by an actual enemy and did so protecting your so called "good people" and people you disagree with.
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