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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Soviets hardly and wouldn't have defeated the Germans without Britain and The U.S.
    Actually, they probably would have. But being a charter member of the Far Right wing of American politics, I know it is hard for you to give credit to the Soviets for anything. They destroyed the cream of the German army. That fact is undebatable.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Actually, yes. As much as it sticks in the craw of every right winger, the Russians bore the bulk of the fighting and the killing and the dying in the war with Germany. By the time we were able to intervene in any military way, the Germans had already lost the war in the East. It was just a matter of how long it was going to take the Russians to reach Berlin. The intervention by the US and the Brits in Western Europe shortened the time considerably, but not the outcome.
    I don't diminish Russia's effort in the war, but to think they would have taken Germany single handedly is preposterous. They held back Germany not because they were whipping Germany's ass, but that Germany was trying to fight a war on two fronts. Fronts so large they could be considered wars of their own.
    Germany made huge gains prior to being stopped just as much by weather as resistance.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Soviets hardly and wouldn't have defeated the Germans without Britain and The U.S.
    If Germany had never invaded the USSR, and the non aggression pact had held,
    We would have had a much more difficult time extracting Europe from under Germany's thumb.
    Barbarossa absorbed vast amount of German men and machines, who would have been waiting
    at Normandy.
    Germany might have still run out of fuel, it just would have taken longer.

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    Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In T...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The implication is that we wouldn't have had satellite tv or won the cold war without the help of Nazi war criminals. I reject that premise.
    The Russians having ICBMs, satellites, and all of that because we were too moralistic to pick of the nazi scientists...yea...you can reject that premise...but I doubt the Russians would have been too forgiving.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    They actually weren't fighting a war on two fronts until 1944 - North Africa and Italy were just side shows. The Battle of Kursk, which took place in July of 1943, effectively ended German offensive war in Russia. From that day on they were on the defensive.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In T...

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    The Russians having ICBMs, satellites, and all of that because we were too moralistic to pick of the nazi scientists.
    You give way too much credit to the Nazi war criminals and not nearly enough credit to the United States. I have to admit I remain puzzled by the widespread admiration and adulation for these despicable human beings that is displayed on this forum. Truly puzzled.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No, not true at all. Humans defined it, and it is generally accepted. Please provide another defining entity if you have one.
    Of course humans defined it. You are a human, are you not?

    It was generally accepted in ancient Greece that adult men having sexualised relationships with young boys was perfectly acceptable. In fact, it was noble. It was generally accepted in the 19th century that masturbation would lead to blindness.

    You're reaching to defend the atrocity, and you know it. There is no excuse for the treatment of Native Americans. There is no excuse for the treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany, either. The fact that the west is guilty of such things doesn't excuse others who do similar things. This also serves to demonstrate just how little you understand, as well.
    I'm not reaching, sir, I'm actively and openly defending it. Defensive measures against your enemies is always justified, as liberal democracies can attest.

    I don't think it's limited to just a street.
    In all streets in all parts of the world. The world is imploding and it is being helped along by capitalists, Jews and Muslims alike.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    If Germany had never invaded the USSR, and the non aggression pact had held,
    We would have had a much more difficult time extracting Europe from under Germany's thumb.
    Barbarossa absorbed vast amount of German men and machines, who would have been waiting
    at Normandy.
    Germany might have still run out of fuel, it just would have taken longer.
    Had the Germans not been engaged in the East, there never would have been a Normandy.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    I wouldn't say they were 19 at the time of the war. The doctor at Dachau had to be in his late 20's, perhaps 30's. These were not "common German soldiers," but Nazi commanders in charge of slave labor and weapons manufacturing.

    It may have been scientifically beneficial to the US, but the moral dilemma remains. We did the same with the Japanese doctors who were responsible for torturing thousands of innocent civilians during experiments on par with Joseph Mengele. It may have been economically/scientifically beneficial to the country, but it is morally wrong.
    I find myself agreeing being a WWII baby. However, it didn't just benefit the US, but the entire world. And you know about the Faber process which has been responsible for an abundance of food in the post WWII world? Google Faber.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In T...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You give way too much credit to the Nazi war criminals and not nearly enough credit to the United States. I have to admit I remain puzzled by the widespread admiration and adulation for these despicable human beings that is displayed on this forum. Truly puzzled.
    Admiration? No. You clearly don't understand espionage though. You steal as much information from your enemy as you can. You don't get it do you? In 1944-45 we weren't fighting the Nazis anymore. We were fighting the Russians. And taking nazi scientists meant taking their information base.
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