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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Putsch View Post
    The fact that the "majority" of humans (I love your Western centric attitude) think Nazis are inhumane doesn't make it truth. The fact that lots of people think something doesn't make it real. Of course, you can claim that it does and it would fit into your narrative very conveniently, but it doesn't make it true. You can stick with humans as much as you want, but all that does is prove that the basis of your morality is predicated on what everyone else things...That's pathetic.
    Being a western civilized human, I would have western centric attitudes, but that doesn't necessarily mean I don't appreciate other views. The fact is that the vast majority of humans understand what constitutes inhuman behavior doesn't have anything to do with the fact that humans have defined the behavior of Nazi's as inhumane. First we define what constitutes "inhumane". Then we see that in general Nazi behavior has an astonishingly one to one correspondence with the definition of inhumane in many instances.



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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Being a western civilized human, I would have western centric attitudes, but that doesn't necessarily mean I don't appreciate other views.
    How very noble of you.

    The fact is that the vast majority of humans understand what constitutes inhuman behavior doesn't have anything to do with the fact that humans have defined the behavior of Nazi's as inhumane.
    They understand what constitutes inhuman based upon liberalised narratives constructed by those powers who won a war of attrition and required such narratives to undermine and denigrate those they defeated. Why wouldn't the "majority" of humans think that certain kinds of experiments were inhumane when that is what is taught to them in their schools. But this definition is a loaded, highly politicised and cultured definition, not based on anything other than the fact those guys won.

    First we define what constitutes "inhumane". Then we see that in general Nazi behavior has an astonishingly one to one correspondence with the definition of inhumane in many instances.
    Yes you have defined what constitutes inhumane. That is precisely my point. You have defined it.

    Can't help ya there.
    Well you could explain yourself more articulately for a start.

    So the extermination of millions of Jews for relatively innocuous religious beliefs was right and necessary.
    Aside from anything, what this sentence demonstrates is how little you know of the subject. To think that the policies against the Jews was because of "belief" is ridiculous. The policies against the Jews were racial acts of self-defence and were no less right or necessary than the American policies against the Natives Americans.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U.S.

    Former Nazi officials, including one notorious Dachau camp doctor who was involved in human experimentation, played leading roles in NASA. Thanks to the precursor to the CIA (OSO) and the Reagan White House, particularly Pat Buchanan.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    [QUOTE=Putsch;1063963602]How very noble of you.



    They understand what constitutes inhuman based upon liberalised narratives constructed by those powers who won a war of attrition and required such narratives to undermine and denigrate those they defeated. Why wouldn't the "majority" of humans think that certain kinds of experiments were inhumane when that is what is taught to them in their schools. But this definition is a loaded, highly politicised and cultured definition, not based on anything other than the fact those guys won.
    My remarks are not specifically directed toward WWII, but it is an event in history we can examine.



    Yes you have defined what constitutes inhumane. That is precisely my point. You have defined it.
    No, not true at all. Humans defined it, and it is generally accepted. Please provide another defining entity if you have one.



    Well you could explain yourself more articulately for a start.
    Then I'm guilty of being inarticulate. I'm humbled.



    Aside from anything, what this sentence demonstrates is how little you know of the subject. To think that the policies against the Jews was being of "religious belief" is ridiculous. The policies against the Jews were acts of self-defence and were no more right or necessary that the American genocide against the Natives Americans.
    You're reaching to defend the atrocity, and you know it. There is no excuse for the treatment of Native Americans. There is no excuse for the treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany, either. The fact that the west is guilty of such things doesn't excuse others who do similar things. This also serves to demonstrate just how little you understand, as well.



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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    So you don't believe in the first amendment and our form of government.........got it
    No, where Nazis are concerned I'd make an exception. They are such low life pieces of scum I'd willingly hang every one of them if it was up to me.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Do you like satellite tv? Winning the Cold War?
    The implication is that we wouldn't have had satellite tv or won the cold war without the help of Nazi war criminals. I reject that premise.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    So nonchalant about it. :-) In a way, you are correct. But there is a new book out that supposedly delves a little deeper into the investigations. I haven't read the book yet, only the article referenced above. But it's good to know it's not a big deal to some (many?) republicans. Thanks.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Russia beat the Germans? Debatable.
    Actually, yes. As much as it sticks in the craw of every right winger, the Russians bore the bulk of the fighting and the killing and the dying in the war with Germany. By the time we were able to intervene in any military way, the Germans had already lost the war in the East. It was just a matter of how long it was going to take the Russians to reach Berlin. The intervention by the US and the Brits in Western Europe shortened the time considerably, but not the outcome.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Actually, yes. As much as it sticks in the craw of every right winger, the Russians bore the bulk of the fighting and the killing and the dying in the war with Germany. By the time we were able to intervene in any military way, the Germans had already lost the war in the East. It was just a matter of how long it was going to take the Russians to reach Berlin. The intervention by the US and the Brits in Western Europe shortened the time considerably, but not the outcome.
    The Soviets hardly and wouldn't have defeated the Germans without Britain and The U.S.
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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, we shoulda just let the Soviets have those people. That would have been a great idea!
    No, we should have taken them and imprisoned them. You want to take von Braun's research, fine. You don't take a guy who made his bones on the bones of slave laborers and make him a national hero.

    However, it does not surprise me that Nazi war criminals are on your list of good guys in this thread.
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