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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No, it's actually indisputable that the Nazi experiments were inhumane.
    And yet it is in dispute...

    We know this because we are human.
    That's a tautology. We know what is human because we are human? Nonsense.

    Any benefit that could be derived from such horror is a plus - it gives the victims an elegant satisfaction of sorts.
    Yet more hypocritical self-justification. It's easy to justify anything if you really want to.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Russian would eventually defeat the Nazis and be in a position to control Europe, while we stay home and twiddle our thumbs. Yes, it was the most expensive war in history, by a country mile.
    Russia beat the Germans? Debatable.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

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    And yet it is in dispute...
    As nearly as I can tell, only by you.



    That's a tautology. We know what is human because we are human? Nonsense.
    Actually, it's not. We know that when we do certain things to human bodies, incredible pain is caused. We know these things because we ourselves suffer such things during our own lives, though rarely intentionally. This is predictable and repeatable. No nonsense involved at all.


    Yet more hypocritical self-justification. It's easy to justify anything if you really want to.
    It is quite easy, as you demonstrate. That the US took something inarguably bad and attempted to turn it to beneficial use is a good thing. The world has not experienced a conflagration on the scale of WWII since that time.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post

    As nearly as I can tell, only by you.
    Something being "indisputable" is not a numbers game, I'm afraid. If that were true we would still think the Earth was flat.

    Actually, it's not. We know that when we do certain things to human bodies, incredible pain is caused. We know these things because we ourselves suffer such things during our own lives, though rarely intentionally. This is predictable and repeatable. No nonsense involved at all.
    So something is indisputably inhumane if it causes pain to a human body? Is that what you're saying?

    It is quite easy, as you demonstrate. That the US took something inarguably bad and attempted to turn it to beneficial use is a good thing. The world has not experienced a conflagration on the scale of WWII since that time.
    This is just a more palatable way of saying you took the research discovered because of "inhumane" experiments and benefited from it. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Putsch View Post
    Something being "indisputable" is not a numbers game, I'm afraid. If that were true we would still think the Earth was flat.
    Gravity is indisputable. There may be instances in which the physics are suspended, but not in this neighborhood. So, by happy coincidence, we can count on gravity around here. Even that is a numbers game of sorts in the universe we've seen so far. So I'll return to the fact that the Nazi's are considered inhumane by vast majority of humans. Humans are the only entities capable of defining "inhumane", and unless you have another defining entity, I'll stick with humans.



    So something is indisputably inhumane if it causes pain to a human body? Is that what you're saying?
    No. Please read above.



    This is just a more palatable way of saying you took the research discovered because of "inhumane" experiments and benefited from it. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
    I can take a rifle, kill a deer, and feed a family for a month. I can take the same rifle and just kill the family, thereby eliminating the need to feed them at all.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Gravity is indisputable. There may be instances in which the physics are suspended, but not in this neighborhood. So, by happy coincidence, we can count on gravity around here. Even that is a numbers game of sorts in the universe we've seen so far. So I'll return to the fact that the Nazi's are considered inhumane by vast majority of humans. Humans are the only entities capable of defining "inhumane", and unless you have another defining entity, I'll stick with humans.
    The fact that the "majority" of humans (I love your Western centric attitude) think Nazis are inhumane doesn't make it truth. The fact that lots of people think something doesn't make it real. Of course, you can claim that it does and it would fit into your narrative very conveniently, but it doesn't make it true. You can stick with humans as much as you want, but all that does is prove that the basis of your morality is predicated on what everyone else things...That's pathetic.

    No. Please read above.
    Yes, I've read it, it makes nothing you've said any clearer.

    I can take a rifle, kill a deer, and feed a family for a month. I can take the same rifle and just kill the family, thereby eliminating the need to feed them at all.
    Yes, choices are made based on what we believe is necessary and right in a given situation. Thank you for agreeing with me.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U.S.

    Former Nazi officials, including one notorious Dachau camp doctor who was involved in human experimentation, played leading roles in NASA. Thanks to the precursor to the CIA (OSO) and the Reagan White House, particularly Pat Buchanan.

    Thoughts?
    I don't know how you got Reagan involved here. But it is true after WWII there was a mad dash to get as many German Scientist, rocket experts to the United States as fast as possible and in secret. The USSR was doing the same, but they did not need to be covert about it.

    Now we went to the moon in 1969, our Nazi German Scientist played a major role in that accomplishment. I do not see how all of this stuff happening before Reagan took office in 1981 had anything to do with him. Truman, IKE, JFK, LBJ, Nixon yes, but Reagan?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Putsch View Post
    I'm sorry, I don't understand.
    He's saying if the result is "justified" enough, then it can sometimes justify the way that result was achieved.

    Basically, the ends CAN justify the means in his mind...as long as the "end" in question is extremely justified.

    Lets say for instance someone wanted to Murder hitler.

    Murder, as a means, is considered bad.

    The Result of killing hitler however would be viewed as VERY justified by many people due to the untold number of deaths laid at his feet.

    So in that case, the "end" result (killing hitler) is justified so the means of doing it (murdering him) is views as justifie.

    However if you wanted to murder Nick, that guy who called you a Boogerhead in 3rd grade, the means (murder) would not be justified becusae the end result (killing Nick) isn't justified because someone calling you a name when you were a kid isn't viewed by most as a legitimate reason to kill a man.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    They made a movie about the most famous Nazi to be honored here, Werner Von Braun. The title of the movie was 'I Aim for the Stars', to which comedian Mort Sahl added 'but sometimes I hit London'.

    Our welcoming of these Nazis will forever be a dark stain on our national conscience.
    Yeah, we shoulda just let the Soviets have those people. That would have been a great idea!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He's saying if the result is "justified" enough, then it can sometimes justify the way that result was achieved.

    Basically, the ends CAN justify the means in his mind...as long as the "end" in question is extremely justified.
    I see. Thank you for explaining.

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