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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You'll have to show where heterosexuals "own" the right to the word marriage. And please don't use religion as "marriage" is done also by the Justice of the Peace (non-religious). Words change or are modified all the time.
    This is exactly what I was talking about. The issue "was" to have the same rights as a "married" couple and I supported that the gays in that issue. I voted for civil unions. It was a work around for our state constitution. It is also a religious issue regardless of the "Justice of the Peace" problem that you have with it. Now that we solved that problem the word "marriage" is the issue. I am a Christian and I happen to support gay rights but I also think the definition should stay as it has been for thousands of years. The word doesn't give anyone anything tangible. The state law already gives a gay couple all the rights that a married couple has. Nobody said anyone "owned" the word. That sentence is hyperbole. If they want to change the definition then they lose my support totally and I will not be as readily supportive of gay rights. Most of my gay friends don't give a rats butt what it is called as long as they have the same rights. I think it is a minority of gays that see this as an issue. That would make it a minority of a minority. It is called "compromise". Sometimes you can't have it all. They want it all after we agreed to a compromise. The compromise being that we have a constitution that defines marriage and also give the same rights as a married couple. The gays get what they wanted and the Christians get what they want. I guess that was naive of me to think both sides could be reasonable. I won't make that mistake again.
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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    This is exactly what I was talking about. The issue "was" to have the same rights as a "married" couple and I supported that the gays in that issue. I voted for civil unions. It was a work around for our state constitution. It is also a religious issue regardless of the "Justice of the Peace" problem that you have with it. Now that we solved that problem the word "marriage" is the issue. I am a Christian and I happen to support gay rights but I also think the definition should stay as it has been for thousands of years. The word doesn't give anyone anything tangible. The state law already gives a gay couple all the rights that a married couple has. Nobody said anyone "owned" the word. That sentence is hyperbole. If they want to change the definition then they lose my support totally and I will not be as readily supportive of gay rights. Most of my gay friends don't give a rats butt what it is called as long as they have the same rights. I think it is a minority of gays that see this as an issue. That would make it a minority of a minority. It is called "compromise". Sometimes you can't have it all. They want it all after we agreed to a compromise. The compromise being that we have a constitution that defines marriage and also give the same rights as a married couple. The gays get what they wanted and the Christians get what they want. I guess that was naive of me to think both sides could be reasonable. I won't make that mistake again.
    Luckily your "support" or "acceptance" of gays using the marriage is not needed. Marriage is used by gays in most of the states in the U.S. and I would wager serious money that it will be legal in all states in just a few years (if that).

    You talk about compromise as if you have the right to even initiate the compromise in the first place. You don't own the word marriage so you are not in the position to bargain for its usage. There was a time the definition of marriage was a man and woman of the same race. Separate but equal does not work in most cases, yet you want to apply it here out of some bruised ego of gays using the word marriage. Sorry, not going to happen.

    I will agree with you that you were nave in thinking that you owned the word marriage to bargain with in the first place.

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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Get the government out of the marriage business.
    Not going to happen. Most people don't really want it to happen.

    I'm willing to bet that the first time a state tries this it would end in disaster and they would recognize marriages again so quickly that other states wouldn't have time to follow suit.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what you have described in equality BY law.

    which is law created by government to force people to treat others equality as determined by government.

    equality under the law is law created by government, which no person is exempt from whether that person is rich or poor.
    So what? That is what has been our national reality. In fact, every form of government has that reality.

    Invent a new form of government that does not... See how long that nation lasts.

    There has never been any government or societal group in the total history of the world that was ruled not by force.

    Even the pacifist Amish have force of law and government./


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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    So what? That is what has been our national reality. In fact, every form of government has that reality.

    Invent a new form of government that does not... See how long that nation lasts.

    There has never been any government or societal group in the total history of the world that was ruled not by force.

    Even the pacifist Amish have force of law and government./

    oh, so America was instituted to rule over the people by force?

    you seem to not like the Constitution at all, because you don't want to follow it.

    again it is equability under the law, not by law.

    when government forces you to do things, against your will when you have not violated anyone's rights, or threaten the health and safety off the public..........then its a violation of your rights.......or do you care about your own rights?

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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, so America was instituted to rule over the people by force?

    you seem to not like the Constitution at all, because you don't want to follow it.

    again it is equability under the law, not by law.

    when government forces you to do things, against your will when you have not violated anyone's rights, or threaten the health and safety off the public..........then its a violation of your rights.......or do you care about your own rights?
    Without force of some kind behind it, the Constitution is just words on parchment.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, so America was instituted to rule over the people by force?
    When America was founded was slavery allowed? Who's rights did that violate?

    Were women allowed to vote? Who's rights did that violate?

    Were children able to be used and abused as child labor? Who's rights did that violate?

    From the VERY start people's rights were violated, so you stand here and say they weren't?


    you seem to not like the Constitution at all, because you don't want to follow it.
    Seems you don't know about the start of our country.

    when government forces you to do things, against your will when you have not violated anyone's rights, or threaten the health and safety off the public..........then its a violation of your rights.......or do you care about your own rights?
    From the start the government used force to make laws and enforce them on people. From the START.

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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Without force of some kind behind it, the Constitution is just words on parchment.
    the Constitution does not grant the federal government power over the people, no where are there dictates to the people...since you wish to use the Constitution.

    the constitution is about federalism......that's what its about....show me the clause where it empowers the government over the people life's.
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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    When America was founded was slavery allowed? Who's rights did that violate?

    Were women allowed to vote? Who's rights did that violate?

    Were children able to be used and abused as child labor? Who's rights did that violate?

    what does this have to do with my statement???????

    From the VERY start people's rights were violated, so you stand here and say they weren't?

    Seems you don't know about the start of our country.



    From the start the government used force to make laws and enforce them on people. From the START.


    voting is not a right, it was a privilege in America.

    its clear you have no idea what i am talking about

    you are stating rights have been violated, which is a terrible thing

    yet, you want to keep it going by having government continue to violate rights, why is that?

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    Re: Federal judge rules against Kansas's gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yet, you want to keep it going by having government continue to violate rights, why is that?
    You are about 200 years too late wanting the government not to violate YOUR rights. If you think it is so bad here, please let us know what country you move to that's better. Better yet, why weren't you vocal in getting the government out of marriage when it was just heterosexuals?

    Spare us your faux outrage.

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