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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You are correct...there's no way of knowing.

    And I agree that the proper ruling would be against Obamacare. Congress...it doesn't matter which Party was in power at the time...screwed up when they wrote the law. Congress...it doesn't matter which Party is in power now...is responsible for fixing it. If that causes problems for Obama...too bad.

    However...I don't hold out much hope that the Supremes will make the proper ruling. I think they'll engage in the same kind of tortured legal logic they used to justify the individual mandate.
    I saw a comment by a law professor who has been following this case. He pointed out that at least four Justices had to have voted for the Court to take the case, and that the only possible reason they would want that is that they think it was wrongly decided by the court below. So the big question is whether there are only four who think that, or five.

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Article 1 Section 8...

    "To establish a uniform rule of naturalization,"

    This is a legislative power.

    The president has no authority to do anything other than to follow and faithfully execute the laws.
    That is not correct. The President[Executive branch] is delegated the power by congress to administrate rules and regulations to carry out the application of the laws written. Obama is head of HHS, ICE, and The Border Patrol and can direct each as he sees fit. That is Constitutional.

    Congress has oversight and can change directives ordered by the President. Congress has not exercised that prerogative. Congress has allowed Obama's EOs to stand.
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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We couldn't do that because there weren't votes in the Democrat party to pass it.
    There's no such thing as the "Democrat party."

    The Democrats are dickless chicken****s. Of course they won't support single payer.

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Scalia disagrees with you. As he wrote in dissent in Arizona v. U.S.,

    Today’s opinion, approving virtually all of the Ninth Circuit’s injunction against enforcement of the four challenged provisions of Arizona’s law, deprives States of what most would consider the defining characteristic of sovereignty: the power to exclude from the sovereign’s territory people who have no right to be there. Neither the Constitution itself nor even any law passed by Congress supports this result . . . . As a sovereign, Arizona has the inherent power to exclude persons from its territory, subject only to those limitations expressed in the Constitution or constitutionally imposed by Congress. That power to exclude has long been recognized as inherent in sovereignty.
    You are mistaken. Scalia does not dis-agree with me because I have no vote. Scalia dis-agreed with the majority of justices he works with. Those are the people that matter.


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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    That is not correct. The President[Executive branch] is delegate the power by congress to administrate rules and regulations to carry out the application of the laws written. Obama is head of HHS, ICE, and The Border Patrol and can direct each as he sees fit. That is Constitutional.

    Congress has oversight and can change directives ordered by the President. Congress has not exercised that prerogative. Congress has allowed Obama's EOs to stand.
    1. The President is not delegated the power by Congress to administer rules and regulations. The President is delegated that power by the Constitution. Also, it is not so much a "power"...but a responsibility.

    2. Obama IS the head of those agencies...yes. But he cannot do as he sees fit. He is bound, by his Oath of Office, to faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States.

    3. I'm not a Constitutional scholar, so maybe I'm just ignorant...but where in the Constitution does it say that Congress can "change directives ordered by the President"? Now, I know Congress can pass laws in response to actions taken by the President, but I'm thinking only the President can change his own orders.
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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Getting this country to accept the idea that healthcare doesn't need to be absurdly expensive is working out like convincing a child to eat their vegetables instead of just demanding ice cream for every meal. Actually, that's another reason why this country is so unhealthy.
    The ACA has been real cheap, eh?

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Getting this country to accept the idea that healthcare doesn't need to be absurdly expensive is working out like convincing a child to eat their vegetables instead of just demanding ice cream for every meal. Actually, that's another reason why this country is so unhealthy.
    Actually, Obama care is more like forcing a vegan to eat a hamburger.

    The problem we had was cost. Healthcare cost was out of control because of medicare/cade and SCHIP as well as the false belief that comprehensive insurance is good. So what did Obama care do? It doubled down on failed policies.
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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    What people are missing here is that Obamacare was designed to fail. Once a large enough population base gets used to subsidized or even free medical care it will be impossible to take it from them no matter what the Supremes say. Medicare for all will be the "logical" fix.

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    What people are missing here is that Obamacare was designed to fail. Once a large enough population base gets used to subsidized or even free medical care it will be impossible to take it from them no matter what the Supremes say. Medicare for all will be the "logical" fix.
    That in all likelihood is how Barry presented it on Air Force 1 to Dennis Kucinich to get that vote he needed.

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    The ACA has been a small baby step in the right direction. Soaring costs is the biggest problem, and, while the ACA didn't stop soaring costs, it at least slowed it down a bit. More people are covered than before. Of course, we need to have everyone covered and have access to health care, but that goal hasn't yet been achieved. All of the doom and gloom predictions of doctors leaving medical practice and hospitals closing their doors didn't happen.

    There is a lot of work to be done before the US has a truly affordable health care system, but the ACA is not to blame for that.
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