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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Congress could easily rectify the uncertainty about what the statute says by passing legislation to alter the language, but has failed to do so. And the Republicans poised to take control of the full Congress next year remain focused on attempting to repeal Obamacare or otherwise damage it, not move bills to make it function better. States also could choose to set up exchanges to ensure their residents can receive subsidies, but none of the ones that have failed to do so are poised to change course.
    We can't expect Congress to do anything to improve the health care situation, as they would have to support something done by Democrats.

    Never mind that real people will lose health care as a result. The most important objective is to make the other party look bad.
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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    A Supreme Court decision against the Obama administration would essentially trigger huge price increases for the health insurance held by millions of consumers, but the consequences wouldn't stop there.

    Absent financial assistance, many fewer people would be able to afford coverage and likely would drop their insurance or never purchase it. Higher prices also would discourage healthy people who are cheaper to insure from buying policies, leaving a sicker pool of customers on insurers' books. That, in turn, would force health insurance companies to raise rates further, driving even more people out of the market. The industry term for this phenomenon is "death spiral."


    There's no way of knowing, but I'd say it's far more likely, should the Supreme Court rule against the administration, that the ACA would be amended by Congress to allow for the federal exchange to subsidize. That amendment would also be accompanied by other amendments that would make changes that Republican legislators would like to see and the President will be in the position of having to veto what he needs or accept changes he may not want.
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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's incredibly wishful thinking.


    I think you're right.

    The whole scam was on the outskirts of legality from the swindles the led to the buy-offs and then the rigged adaption of a bill that had nothing to do with the ACA that co-opted by the Senate to make its version.

    Following that, the whole thing was sent to the House where spending bills are supposed to come from. An obvious departure from ethical conduct.

    Then, when it was obvious that the abortion would not pass the Senate if a re-vote was taken, the house passed it intact with no amendments and no changes so a reconciliation was not allowed.

    There was a very small window in time when this illegal atrocity could have passed and the Dems used every trick at their disposal to pass it.

    Everyone who voted in favor of this should be whipped in the public square.



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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Everyone who voted in favor of this should be whipped in the public square.
    It seems a great many of them have been taken out by the electorate over the past two cycles.
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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps Nancy Pelosi and President Obama should have taken the time and effort to actually read the legislation they pushed through, perhaps avoiding a lot of the difficulties their haste/incompetence has caused as a result.
    This is not an over-sight in writing the legislation. When the law was written the states were to set up their exchanges. We all know why the states did not. The federal government step in an set up the exchanges in the states that refused.

    The Fed offered subsidies to those in the states that did not set up their exchanges. Now opponents are saying that the law does not allow the fed to offer the subsidies.

    There is no constitutional question. The Court will simply send the law back to Congress with the order to fix the law. If Congress does not fix the law... that is on Congress.

    How many times has Social Security Act be modified since its implementation? All major legislation requires fixes.



    Either Congress fixes the law or it stands as implemented.
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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Getting this country to accept the idea that healthcare doesn't need to be absurdly expensive is working out like convincing a child to eat their vegetables instead of just demanding ice cream for every meal. Actually, that's another reason why this country is so unhealthy.
    If the ACA had that effect, I'd be in agreement with you 100%. I've expressed my support for universal healthcare in some form but the ACA is really just corporate welfare shrouded in leftist language. Bear in mind that Mitt Romney laid out the original blueprint for this healthcare system. I think you know where I'm going with this...

    The problem with the ACA is that it is just a clever attempt to put more money in the pockets of big insurance companies. Force people to buy healthcare from them and push people to get plans they don't need nor want. We should just go single-payer if we want results IMO.

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There's no way of knowing, but I'd say it's far more likely, should the Supreme Court rule against the administration, that the ACA would be amended by Congress to allow for the federal exchange to subsidize. That amendment would also be accompanied by other amendments that would make changes that Republican legislators would like to see and the President will be in the position of having to veto what he needs or accept changes he may not want.
    That would be interesting. That would basically open the door for Republicans to really re-write much of Obamacare. We could (possibly) end up with a Singaporean / Swedish style model.

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That would be interesting. That would basically open the door for Republicans to really re-write much of Obamacare. We could (possibly) end up with a Singaporean / Swedish style model.
    The swedish model is much farther left than Obamacare. I do like it but I dont think congress would pass a similar one.

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Getting this country to accept the idea that healthcare doesn't need to be absurdly expensive is working out like convincing a child to eat their vegetables instead of just demanding ice cream for every meal. Actually, that's another reason why this country is so unhealthy.
    Sorry, but people accept that healthcare is too expensive, but what you appear to want them to accept they are throwing back in your face and screaming NO! You know, kind of like a kid refusing to eat food they hate.

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    Re: Supreme Court Agrees To Hear New Challenge To Obamacare

    Let's see, before people couldn't afford healthcare premiums.
    Now with Obamacare people can afford healthcare premiums,
    but can't afford the deductibles....right?
    What's to fix?

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