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Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

Geoist said:
Well, maybe not when it comes to bombing brown people. Otherwise they are extremely outspoken about people's choices to live or die.
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Bombing brown people? You really are silly.
Outspoken and fear are two entirely different animals. Now you're getting confusing.
 
Meister said:
Bombing brown people? You really are silly.
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Naw, its a legitimate point in Christian Right hypocrisy.


Outspoken and fear are two entirely different animals.
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Not necessarily. One can be outspoken on their opposition to the right to choose death. And that position can be motivated by fear.
 
Geoist said:
Naw, its a legitimate point in Christian Right hypocrisy.




Not necessarily. One can be outspoken on their opposition to the right to choose death. And that position can be motivated by fear.
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You seem to write your own scenario to prove your biased point.
Feel free, no matter how wrong you are.
 
Declan said:
That you are wrong? Yes that point still stands.
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No, he is 100% right. But even if she had not done it (in part) for her family, all she had to do it for was herself. There is no honor is being dehumanized by a disease that is going to kill you within the a few months or maybe even 2 years if those last 2 years are going to be filled with horror, pain and the loss of all human value for that person.

Euthanasia is a good thing when done correctly and honorably. My grandfather died sooner than he could have died due to actively shortening his life and I am still grateful for that everyday. He was spared suffocating to death and that is a very reassuring feeling for me and my entire family.
 
She passed on her own terms. We should all be so lucky. I'm glad I live in a country that gives me the option to end my life with dignity should I ever have to make that choice.
 
Peter King said:
No, he is 100% right. But even if she had not done it (in part) for her family, all she had to do it for was herself. There is no honor is being dehumanized by a disease that is going to kill you within the a few months or maybe even 2 years if those last 2 years are going to be filled with horror, pain and the loss of all human value for that person.

Euthanasia is a good thing when done correctly and honorably. My grandfather died sooner than he could have died due to actively shortening his life and I am still grateful for that everyday. He was spared suffocating to death and that is a very reassuring feeling for me and my entire family.
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No you both are wrong. To act like suicide is the bravest choice establishes that fighting cancer to the end is less the cowardly choice. Killing yourself is not braver than fighting for your life except in messed up minds. She killed herself. That does not make her brave, noble, or anything but dead. You cannot spare people from death. It comes one way or the other.
 
Declan said:
No you both are wrong. To act like suicide is the bravest choice establishes that fighting cancer to the end is less the cowardly choice. Killing yourself is not braver than fighting for your life except in messed up minds. She killed herself. That does not make her brave, noble, or anything but dead. You cannot spare people from death. It comes one way or the other.
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No, you are the one who is wrong. Suffocating to death is not a death you would wish upon your worst enemy. Euthanasia is the humane choice. Fighting for your life? When you contemplate euthanasia you are in the end phase of a terminal disease. Fighting for life is useless because you cannot save your life, death is a certainty.
 
Meister said:
You seem to write your own scenario to prove your biased point.
Feel free, no matter how wrong you are.
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The scenario comes from personal experience. I come from a Right-wing Christian family. I am pretty familiar with the reality of the culture.
 
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Declan said:
That you are wrong? Yes that point still stands.
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The point being that she did not want to have her family suffer by watching her waste away.
 
Declan said:
No you both are wrong. To act like suicide is the bravest choice establishes that fighting cancer to the end is less the cowardly choice.
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No one said it was cowardly to fight cancer.


She killed herself. That does not make her brave, noble, or anything but dead.
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You don't have to think of it as brave or noble. But it was her life and choice to make. The decision had sound reasoning. I can't believe I'm debating this with a "progressive."

You cannot spare people from death. It comes one way or the other.
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No one said you can spare them death. But they should have the option to decide how death comes to them.
 
This subject is a very tough one. Death is purely subjective, and it's a decision if it comes to that: I don't believe in the death penalty - because it's not our decision... (regardless). In this gal's case, it's about the quality of whatever life she has left. Many people are known as "no codes", which means; in the event of catostrophic illness: massive stroke or heart attack etc, if the hope for recovery is low, then let the person go. That is pretty much the same decision as the young gal made: but it's the individual decision.
 
Geoist said:
The scenario comes from personal experience. I come from a Right-wing Christian family. I am pretty familiar with the reality of the culture.
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Apparently not.
 
Declan said:
No you both are wrong. To act like suicide is the bravest choice establishes that fighting cancer to the end is less the cowardly choice. Killing yourself is not braver than fighting for your life except in messed up minds. She killed herself. That does not make her brave, noble, or anything but dead. You cannot spare people from death. It comes one way or the other.
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'Fighting cancer to the end' is a meaningless turn of phrase. There is no battle, no combat going on. Someone is suffering from a disease and they either have a chance of being cured and pursue treatment or they do not. This women had no chance of survival and was looking at an extraordinary amount of suffering and incapacitation. There was no 'battle' for her to fight.
 
Sherman123 said:
'Fighting cancer to the end' is a meaningless turn of phrase. There is no battle, no combat going on. Someone is suffering from a disease and they either have a chance of being cured and pursue treatment or they do not. This women had no chance of survival and was looking at an extraordinary amount of suffering and incapacitation. There was no 'battle' for her to fight.
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You are wrong. Even if you are not going to win the cancer, you can at least buy yourself time. Very few people I know wouldn't love to have 5 minutes, 5 hours or 5 days more with someone they lost.
 
You can live with dignity; you can't die with it.

Glamorizing this is just sick.
 
Crovax said:
You can live with dignity; you can't die with it.

Glamorizing this is just sick.
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Hopefully you never get a terminal disease where you have to put that statement to test.
 
Declan said:
You are wrong. Even if you are not going to win the cancer, you can at least buy yourself time. Very few people I know wouldn't love to have 5 minutes, 5 hours or 5 days more with someone they lost.
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The only way you can buy yourself time is with medical treatment. "Fighting" has nothing to do with it. Straining her body with drugs and chemotherapy until she's a mentally addled husk just to add a few weeks or months to her life obviously wasn't ideal to her.
 
May she rest in peace.

After watching a loved one go through the final days of cancer, no pain was involved, they were given enough pain medication to knock out an elephant. I find it amazing in some states people are given the choice when life is over.
 
Declan said:
No you both are wrong. To act like suicide is the bravest choice establishes that fighting cancer to the end is less the cowardly choice. Killing yourself is not braver than fighting for your life except in messed up minds. She killed herself. That does not make her brave, noble, or anything but dead. You cannot spare people from death. It comes one way or the other.
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People do not sit back and watch animals die slowly, screaming in agony, for weeks or months. They are humanely put out of their misery. Yet humans are not given the same compassion as animals in your world? To force anyone to undergo the equivalent of torture, watching them scream and beg for death, only to smile, refuse help and continue to watch their agony... that's the very definition of sadism. The world is filled with too damned many sadists for my liking.

I'm glad at least one young woman thought enough of herself and valued her dignity enough to spare herself and her loved ones that ordeal.
 
Crovax said:
You can live with dignity; you can't die with it.

Glamorizing this is just sick.
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In some cases, with some diseases there is no dignity in living to die, but you can die with dignity. You can die in a way that leaves you with some resemblance of yourself, it is a peaceful and respectful way to go out for you and your loved ones.

Glamorizing needless suffering, pain and loosing your pride/humanity is what is sick.
 
Ms. Brittany Maynard has died in infamy. Not many can make that claim. Way to go girl!

Rest in Peace.
 
Declan said:
I am inclined to feel that fighting until the last is the braver choice than this, especially when one knows that it is a losing fight. It was her life to do with as she so chose, but I do not see anything especially commendable about her decision.
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Dying itself may not be commendable, but fighting for other people to have that choice is commendable.
 
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