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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    That you are wrong? Yes that point still stands.
    No, he is 100% right. But even if she had not done it (in part) for her family, all she had to do it for was herself. There is no honor is being dehumanized by a disease that is going to kill you within the a few months or maybe even 2 years if those last 2 years are going to be filled with horror, pain and the loss of all human value for that person.

    Euthanasia is a good thing when done correctly and honorably. My grandfather died sooner than he could have died due to actively shortening his life and I am still grateful for that everyday. He was spared suffocating to death and that is a very reassuring feeling for me and my entire family.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    She passed on her own terms. We should all be so lucky. I'm glad I live in a country that gives me the option to end my life with dignity should I ever have to make that choice.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, he is 100% right. But even if she had not done it (in part) for her family, all she had to do it for was herself. There is no honor is being dehumanized by a disease that is going to kill you within the a few months or maybe even 2 years if those last 2 years are going to be filled with horror, pain and the loss of all human value for that person.

    Euthanasia is a good thing when done correctly and honorably. My grandfather died sooner than he could have died due to actively shortening his life and I am still grateful for that everyday. He was spared suffocating to death and that is a very reassuring feeling for me and my entire family.
    No you both are wrong. To act like suicide is the bravest choice establishes that fighting cancer to the end is less the cowardly choice. Killing yourself is not braver than fighting for your life except in messed up minds. She killed herself. That does not make her brave, noble, or anything but dead. You cannot spare people from death. It comes one way or the other.

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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    No you both are wrong. To act like suicide is the bravest choice establishes that fighting cancer to the end is less the cowardly choice. Killing yourself is not braver than fighting for your life except in messed up minds. She killed herself. That does not make her brave, noble, or anything but dead. You cannot spare people from death. It comes one way or the other.
    No, you are the one who is wrong. Suffocating to death is not a death you would wish upon your worst enemy. Euthanasia is the humane choice. Fighting for your life? When you contemplate euthanasia you are in the end phase of a terminal disease. Fighting for life is useless because you cannot save your life, death is a certainty.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    You seem to write your own scenario to prove your biased point.
    Feel free, no matter how wrong you are.
    The scenario comes from personal experience. I come from a Right-wing Christian family. I am pretty familiar with the reality of the culture.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    That you are wrong? Yes that point still stands.
    The point being that she did not want to have her family suffer by watching her waste away.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    No you both are wrong. To act like suicide is the bravest choice establishes that fighting cancer to the end is less the cowardly choice.
    No one said it was cowardly to fight cancer.


    She killed herself. That does not make her brave, noble, or anything but dead.
    You don't have to think of it as brave or noble. But it was her life and choice to make. The decision had sound reasoning. I can't believe I'm debating this with a "progressive."

    You cannot spare people from death. It comes one way or the other.
    No one said you can spare them death. But they should have the option to decide how death comes to them.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    This subject is a very tough one. Death is purely subjective, and it's a decision if it comes to that: I don't believe in the death penalty - because it's not our decision... (regardless). In this gal's case, it's about the quality of whatever life she has left. Many people are known as "no codes", which means; in the event of catostrophic illness: massive stroke or heart attack etc, if the hope for recovery is low, then let the person go. That is pretty much the same decision as the young gal made: but it's the individual decision.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The scenario comes from personal experience. I come from a Right-wing Christian family. I am pretty familiar with the reality of the culture.
    Apparently not.

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    Re: Brittany Maynard, Death With Dignity Advocate, Dies At 29

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Apparently not.
    Well I'm not going to lose any sleep wondering if Meister believes me or not.
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