Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to

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humbolt said:

His hypocrisy is telling. The one thing he could do in a second to correct pay inequity, and he hasn't done it. Words are cheap, and each time he spews a bunch of 'em on this subject, he's cheapening his stock of believability on the issue a little more.

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Well, you do know how the left likes to avoid bad news and anything that shows their failures.


Pavlich Destroys the Left's "Female Empowerment" Movement at D.C. Conference.....


Myth number one is that the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is beneficial for women. “According to the Manhattan Institute, Obamacare is increasing women’s rates by 62 percent nationally, and depending on the state, some women could see their premiums triple. In addition, millions of women have received letters stating their insurance plans are being canceled because they do not comply with the Affordable Care Act.”

Health care aside, Pavlich noted that Barack Obama has repeatedly used women to get himself and other Democrats re-elected, though he hasn’t done much to get women back to work. “There are nearly a million fewer women in the work force today than when President Obama took office in 2009. Joblessness for women under his watch has jumped 15.5 percent according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.”.....snip~

Pavlich Destroys the Left's "Female Empowerment" Movement at D.C. Conference - Kara Jones

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...male-empowerment-movement-d-c-conference.html

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mac said:

Edited. :shrug:

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We already know that you're very good at editing quotes

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polgara said:

Greetings, paddymcdougall. :2wave:

No comparison! Ceausescu was a dictator who could do anything he liked. My point was that he did try it in Romania, it was very unpopular, and the people cheered when he and his wife were executed. Not everyone wants the government to start indoctrinating children in political ideology starting in pre-school, it seems, no matter where they live.

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It seems that you either do not really know or understand the Romania of those days, thus misrepresenting it here.

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Heya Mac. :2wave: Some more on this. First he gave his speech in RI and then he used it for his Weekly Address to the Nation.




Hail Mary: Obama to Pull Out War on Women Rhetoric in Last Ditch Effort Before The Midterms.....

The president’s diminished standing with women is quickly becoming one of the biggest liabilities facing Democrats as they struggle to hang onto the Senate majority.

In battleground states across the country, Obama is underwater with female voters — especially women unaffiliated with a political party — and it’s making it harder for Democrats to take advantage of the gender gap, according to public polling and Democratic strategists.

Further, an Associated Press poll released last week shows more women want to vote for Republicans, not Democrats on Tuesday. Women have moved in the GOP's direction since September. In last month's AP-GfK poll, 47 percent of female likely voters said they favored a Democratic-controlled Congress while 40 percent wanted the Republicans to capture control. In the new poll, the two parties are about even among women, 44 percent.....snip~

Hail Mary: Obama to Pull Out War on Women Rhetoric in Last Ditch Effort Before The Midterms - Katie Pavlich

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mac said:

While I editorialized the title of this thread, here's what was said:

"Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to Make' | The Weekly Standard

Now, what I would hope what he meant to say was something like "...that's not a choice we want Americans TO HAVE to make...", that's simply not what he actually said.

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Fits right in with his "I don't want them punished with a baby" line.

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Jetboogieman said:

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It's Obama's "binders full of women".

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eohrnberger said:

Odd. You'd think that the early exposure to group settings and group dynamics would have trending to stronger socialization skills.
Are you saying that's not the study's conclusion?

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I did misspeak in my original post on the subject, but no. The study found that more time in daycare leads to more aggressive, disobedient and defiant behavior. This wasn't even the first study to determine the same:

A study from 2002:
New Study on Daycare and Aggression in Childhood - CBS News

In the study, 17% of children who spent more than 30 hours a week in daycare had behavior problems when they got to kindergarten. The findings are alarming, considering the government numbers that show nearly one out of three preschoolers go to some type of childcare facility while their parents are at work.

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"We find clearly, indisputably, and unambiguously that . . . the more time children spend in care, the more likely they are to be aggressive and disobedient," says Jay Belsky, the study's author.

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The more recent study:
New study says behavioural problems in children linked to time in childcare centres  | Daily Mail Online

A new study has revealed that children placed in childcare centres are more likely to develop hyperactive and aggressive behaviours than those who spend time in home care

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Their results, which were based on surveys filled out by parents and teachers, found the length of time spent in childcare centres was directly linked to increases in problem behaviours by the age of four or five.

Interestingly, children who spent more time in family day care or under the care of nannies did not show increased signs of problem behaviours.

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Apparently the most recent study found decrease in depression and anxiety for those in child care - though.

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buck said:

I did misspeak in my original post on the subject, but no. The study found that more time in daycare leads to more aggressive, disobedient and defiant behavior. This wasn't even the first study to determine the same:

A study from 2002:
New Study on Daycare and Aggression in Childhood - CBS News



The more recent study:
New study says behavioural problems in children linked to time in childcare centres* | Daily Mail Online




Apparently the most recent study found decrease in depression and anxiety for those in child care - though.

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Interesting. Thanks for the links Buck. Seems that idealized life portrayed in 'Leave It to Beaver' had it right after all. :lol:

As a responsible society, so concerned about the kids and all, shouldn't we be looking for ways to have all our moms be stay at home?

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eohrnberger said:

Interesting. Thanks for the links Buck. Seems that idealized life portrayed in 'Leave It to Beaver' had it right after all. :lol:

As a responsible society, so concerned about the kids and all, shouldn't we be looking for ways to have all our moms be stay at home?

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We purposely do that in our home.. I work days, my wife works part time, evenings and weekends (grocery store).... We do the hand off in between. My wife could make more money by being full time and working more.. . but, in our opinion.. The kids are more important and we are lucky enough to be able to make it work.

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buck said:

Yes, I agree.. What I find most surprising of that statement, though, is that he is admitting there is far more to the gender gap in wages than I've heard other liberal democrats ever want to acknowledge in the past. In the past, it was always evil employers just wanting to pay them less... Now he acknowledges that a lot of it could have to do with workplace experience/seniority.

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But that in itself is a problem. They are even unwilling to recognize any experience that women do gain by staying home with their children, especially in jobs where the pay is based on experience but experience at home could easily transfer if they would actually look at it.

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prometeus said:

It seems that you either do not really know or understand the Romania of those days, thus misrepresenting it here.

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How was Romania misrepresented?

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eohrnberger said:

Interesting. Thanks for the links Buck. Seems that idealized life portrayed in 'Leave It to Beaver' had it right after all. :lol:

As a responsible society, so concerned about the kids and all, shouldn't we be looking for ways to have all our moms be stay at home?

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They did have it right, as most parents know, but those days may be gone forever. The Nationalization of the Family :: SteynOnline

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buck said:

We purposely do that in our home.. I work days, my wife works part time, evenings and weekends (grocery store).... We do the hand off in between. My wife could make more money by being full time and working more.. . but, in our opinion.. The kids are more important and we are lucky enough to be able to make it work.

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Our kids are now in college, so we've made this decision, but we opted for day care.

Both are kids are 'good' kids, work hard, honest and with integrity. I think the values are working well for them, and from my view, they'll do well in life.

Now that we are paying for college, I'm sure glad that we've got both good incomes going.

Our hope is that it would give our kids a good start, to be debt free for the most part when they start off.

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Grant said:

They did have it right, as most parents know, but those days may be gone forever. The Nationalization of the Family :: SteynOnline

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Yeah. An earlier post laid this at the feet of liberals / progressives, but didn't elaborate on their thinking on this. I have to admit that I'm not all that sure if it is or isn't, and am trending more to not anyone's fault, but more the way the society and the modern world evolved, but am willing to listen and consider other viewpoints.

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just another poor attempt at the so called war on women.
they don't have anything else to run on.

some women don't want to work and they have the money from their husband to do it.
we make some sacrifices, but my wife doesn't work anymore and she stays home.

this is a huge benefit since i have to travel from time to time with work.
i get to work from home and help take care of the kids.

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mac said:

While I editorialized the title of this thread, here's what was said:

"Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to Make' | The Weekly Standard

Now, what I would hope what he meant to say was something like "...that's not a choice we want Americans TO HAVE to make...",

that's simply not what he actually said.

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Anyone can twist and spin anyone else's words to deliver any partisan message that they're trying to deliver.

But that doesn't change reality.

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Mycroft said:

Americans wouldn't have to make that choice if the government didn't cause Mom to have to be in the workplace...in the first place.

Thanks to almost a hundred years of liberals changing our society, Moms have no choice...they have to work. So what is the liberal solution?...more nanny state.

Obama...the sooner you and your ilk are gone, the better.

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No - let's not skew things, here.

For the lifestyle and amenities people feel they need and / or want - the average family has to rely on dual incomes or a gracious single income. So let's not pretend like personal choices and lifestyle don't play into how much it costs to actually live VS live comfortably these days.

Let's also not forget that government does not control the cost of living or income.

Perhaps pointing all fingers to the government and not enough fingers to the individuals that make up the US is part of the actual problem, eh?

Government sets a minimum wage but there's not a single law or rule that REQUIRES businesses to pay that little. Taxes and a few other expenses are all that the Federal government can affect or dictate. Everything else is corporate, individual and state government concerns.

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ludin said:

just another poor attempt at the so called war on women.
they don't have anything else to run on.

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Yeah, that's pretty apparent.

ludin said:

some women don't want to work and they have the money from their husband to do it.
we make some sacrifices, but my wife doesn't work anymore and she stays home.

this is a huge benefit since i have to travel from time to time with work.
i get to work from home and help take care of the kids.

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Nice. Yeah, working from home can be such a boon to quality of life and work / life balance. Funny that business is swinging back away from it.

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ludin said:

just another poor attempt at the so called war on women.
they don't have anything else to run on.

some women don't want to work and they have the money from their husband to do it.
we make some sacrifices, but my wife doesn't work anymore and she stays home.

this is a huge benefit since i have to travel from time to time with work.
i get to work from home and help take care of the kids.

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? You think it's just a matter of women not wanting to work?

Between my husband's demanding job in the military which often left me as the only parent around here; all the kids and their many ailments, injuries, and issues; and my own illnesses when I was pregnant as well as a lack of reliable childcare in the past when I was working - it was a painful decision for me to make.

It wasn't that I didn't want to work.

All too often women who choose to stay-at-home DO want to work. Instead, they end up having to be a family coupon instead.

And once you're out of work for a while you're pretty much dead to the employment world. I'm not longer a sahm - My youngest has been in school for years. However, I've yet to find adequate employment. People see a job-gap and though I haven't been a laze-about-bum this entire time that means very little.

And for some reason, now, even my husband doesn't seem to understand this. A lot of people just seem to not understand everything that goes into the decision and reason - not only in the beginning but later on when you make hard choices, again.

Every time I talk about job-hunting my husband actually makes a joke about it or asks some silly thing like "you sure you want to do that" [Right - because almost going bankrupt because he's medically retired from the military and unable to work himself is so much better than me working]

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Is it me or did this speech come across like if you are a woman with children it's like some albatross that keeps her from ever achieving a goal of a good paying job if she stays home with her children? So we need to collectively provide pre-kindergarten schools in our public school systems so that she will have the opportunity to fulfill her potential in the workforce? Am I understanding this correctly? As long as mom took the personal responsibility to complete here education before deciding to have children along with a supporting male, how is taking a few years off keeping her down and hindering her from future good wages? Look, I made the personal choice to quit my job and be a stay at home mom until my children were in school. I didn't want to send them to a germ infested daycare, I wanted to be there when they took their first steps, or pee in the potty for the first time. I was the one that wanted to make sure in those first years it was me instilling the values I wanted them to possess, not some stranger. For a period of 8 years to compensate the loss of income, I opened a cake decorating business out of my home. Was it something I ever dreamed I would do? No. But who would have thought a $25 Wilton cake decorating class at the community center could turn into such a lucrative business. After the kids were in school, I picked up my career where I left off. Through the years I changed course but no matter what I chose to do I excelled. That isn't something government can make happen for a woman, that comes from the individual with the fire in their belly to succeed.

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For those of you extolling having a parent stay at home with the children - assuming they are a good parent, that is great for the kids. That is not an option for single parents. Nor is it an option for people not making enough income with one parent. I also think it's not the wisest thing to do - what happens if the wage earner dies, or becomes disabled? and it also puts a lot of pressure on the wage earner. It's not easy to be the sole support of one's family. I'm glad Vesper was able to resume her/his career, but most stay at home moms/dads aren't able to resume their careers anywhere near where they left off after going back to the workplace.

As Aunt Spiker, mentioned above that govt. sets minimum wage, but can't force businesses to pay above that. I recommend research into income inequality; productivity has gone up since the 70s, but incomes have stagnated or gone down (part of this is do to the attacks on unions). Families have to have two incomes to have a chance of staying above water. The recent recession was in a large part due to families using money they pulled from their houses in order to make up for the income stagnation; when values crashed, they had nowhere to turn.

I happen to make a decent income; but I've had one raise since 2009, and it was pretty small. (And yes, I'm rated highly on my annual review and my company swears they value me.) Since 2009, medical costs, gas costs, and all other costs have gone up. My husband is on disability; so his income is fixed. I'm lucky I have a decent income. Others aren't so lucky and have similarly seen their costs go up while their incomes stagnate.

In this day and age, having good, affordable preschools so parents can work is important. I'm not saying every parent has to choose that option; but that's an option they should have. And that's what that part of Pres Obama's speech was saying.

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Aunt Spiker said:

No - let's not skew things, here.

For the lifestyle and amenities people feel they need and / or want - the average family has to rely on dual incomes or a gracious single income. So let's not pretend like personal choices and lifestyle don't play into how much it costs to actually live VS live comfortably these days.

Let's also not forget that government does not control the cost of living or income.

Perhaps pointing all fingers to the government and not enough fingers to the individuals that make up the US is part of the actual problem, eh?

Government sets a minimum wage but there's not a single law or rule that REQUIRES businesses to pay that little. Taxes and a few other expenses are all that the Federal government can affect or dictate. Everything else is corporate, individual and state government concerns.

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and very few places other than food service actually pay minimum wage...at least if you work there for a little while.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t19.htm

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As for the OP, personally I think there are plenty of other things that could be done as well to allow women who choose to go back to work to do so while still ensuring their children are taken care of. Protecting families from having to pay extra rent to have a live-in nanny live with them while they are living in apartments would be a start. Stop punishing people or allowing others to punish people for having larger, extended families. I understand having legitimate limits on the number of people per bedroom/space within an apartment or house being rented, but not in allowing them to charge extra for adults that are normally living there to help the family make more money. Offer training for being a nanny for young women and men, work on making background checks easier in order to allow for parents to arrange for affordable care for their children when they do want to go back to work.

Now, I don't think that Obama was saying that all women who had children need to go back to work and leave their children in the hands of strangers. He was saying that if a woman wants to go back to work after having a child, that choice needs to be affordable and worth it for parents to make. When many jobs out there don't even pay enough to pay for childcare these days or just barely pay for it, it makes going to work pretty pointless. If I had to pay for childcare for me to go to work now, I would be paying more for that childcare than I would make from working parttime at my job (which I was doing til about last week), even with my children in school now. And forget it with the reserve duty. My entire reserve pay would go to pay for childcare if I didn't have someone else available on the weekends.

Not all parents are lucky enough to have the support that I have from my family though, and for them, it should be affordable to get childcare for their children, and stay at home parents should get some consideration for that experience where appropriate (although this one really wouldn't be practical to legislate).

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vesper said:

Is it me or did this speech come across like if you are a woman with children it's like some albatross that keeps her from ever achieving a goal of a good paying job if she stays home with her children? So we need to collectively provide pre-kindergarten schools in our public school systems so that she will have the opportunity to fulfill her potential in the workforce? Am I understanding this correctly? As long as mom took the personal responsibility to complete here education before deciding to have children along with a supporting male, how is taking a few years off keeping her down and hindering her from future good wages? Look, I made the personal choice to quit my job and be a stay at home mom until my children were in school. I didn't want to send them to a germ infested daycare, I wanted to be there when they took their first steps, or pee in the potty for the first time. I was the one that wanted to make sure in those first years it was me instilling the values I wanted them to possess, not some stranger. For a period of 8 years to compensate the loss of income, I opened a cake decorating business out of my home. Was it something I ever dreamed I would do? No. But who would have thought a $25 Wilton cake decorating class at the community center could turn into such a lucrative business. After the kids were in school, I picked up my career where I left off. Through the years I changed course but no matter what I chose to do I excelled. That isn't something government can make happen for a woman, that comes from the individual with the fire in their belly to succeed.

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Good for you. You were able to get around the lack of good jobs by starting your own business.

But, for those moms who are trying to get back into the workforce, it's a hard road. When there are multiple applications for every job, it's easy to simply discard the resumes of people who have a gap in employment. It is necessary to winnow down the applicants, after all, and that's one easy way to do it.

And, not everyone who is raising kids alone chose to be a single parent. Sometimes, the choice of mate turned out to be a bad one. Sometimes, people die young and leave little kids for someone else to raise.

And having a good education isn't enough for the job seeker any more. You have to have an education in some field that is in demand. If the job seeker has a nursing certificate, then a job is likely to be available. A masters degree in psychology isn't likely to be of as much help.

The choice of day care/stay at home mom (or dad, why not?) should lie with the individual. Sometimes, the choice is made for them by necessity.

And the idea that the government is somehow involved in a plot to make sure all kids are in state run daycares based on one sentence spoken by the POTUS is about as absurd of a conspiracy theory as I've heard, and there have been some pretty absurd ones promoted on this forum.

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Obama has already muttered the nonsensical and already debunked figures of wage inequality. He is obviously a feminist thinking person. Feminism is in bed with socialism and marxism which is all about the state raising the kids. Is it really surprising that he would support such propaganda based on the roots he came from and the people he surrounded himself with before he was president. He may have tempered his marxist and socialist tendencies in order got elected, but they are still there and they have effected policy.