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Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to

Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

...happen to work in the White House. Obama should clear that little problem up before he lectures others on such subjects.

Heya HB. :2wave: There you go and notice when BO talks about Women he doesn't want to have to debate a Woman from the Right.

Katie Pavlich has no trouble calling him or any of the left out over women's issues. Especially when BO and Team start thinking for them. Lets see them step up to the plate rather than run around and lecture others.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

The quote in the op says exactly that. "And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

And the choice he was talking about is "her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life"
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

No it's in context. It can only be assumed to be out of context if you assume he meant to say it differently.

Here's the context

And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare that maybe doesn’t have the kinds of programming that makes a big difference in a child’s development. And sometimes there may just not be any slots, or the best programs may be too far away. And sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.

Note that the only other place he talks about choice is the choice "to put their kids in cheaper daycare.....and that's not a choice we want Americans to make"
 
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That reminds me that there was a recent study showing a link between those that spend more time in day care as a child and violent behavior when they are adults.

Odd. You'd think that the early exposure to group settings and group dynamics would have trending to stronger socialization skills.
Are you saying that's not the study's conclusion?
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Umm, if it's free (and there are a # of free pre-school programs), then they don't have to pay

It makes no difference who does the paying. The idea that adding "free" daycare (calling it pre-school only increases the cost) makes any given job hire more moms (rather than other workers) still makes no sense. We do not have a shortage of workers in the US that requires more mothers (or fathers) with young children to get out and work more. Rest assured that, just like illegal aliens, they will not only take jobs that "nobody else wants".
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

"Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

As I suspectedd, you don't have the quote

Here's a quote
And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare ...And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

It makes no difference who does the paying. The idea that adding "free" daycare (calling it pre-school only increases the cost) makes any given job hire more moms (rather than other workers) still makes no sense. We do not have a shortage of workers in the US that requires more mothers (or fathers) with young children to get out and work more. Rest assured that, just like illegal aliens, they will not only take jobs that "nobody else wants".

So you said that low-income women can't financially benefit from putting their kids in day care because they have to pay for it, and when I point out that many don't have to pay for it, you say "it doesn't matter"???

And then you talk about " The idea that adding "free" daycare (calling it pre-school only increases the cost) makes any given job hire more moms" when he was talking about women who already have jobs?

C'mon ttwtt, even you can see that's not honest
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Heya HB. :2wave: There you go and notice when BO talks about Women he doesn't want to have to debate a Woman from the Right.

Katie Pavlich has no trouble calling him or any of the left out over women's issues. Especially when BO and Team start thinking for them. Lets see them step up to the plate rather than run around and lecture others.

His hypocrisy is telling. The one thing he could do in a second to correct pay inequity, and he hasn't done it. Words are cheap, and each time he spews a bunch of 'em on this subject, he's cheapening his stock of believability on the issue a little more.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

And the choice he was talking about is "her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life"

That's an assumption.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Those that like the idea of having no responsibility for their children, except for birthing them, will hail this! We're already seeing it. The rest of us will tell them to pedal their garbage elsewhere.

I remember seeing pictures of the children in Romania and how they suffered as a result of Romanian dictator Ceausesco's decision to do exactly what is being proposed here. He and his wife were executed by firing squad in 1989 - 120 bullets were found in their bodies, BTW, and the people cheered! Just saying....

Quite rightly so, on all counts. The idea is so foreign that I don't see it taking root here. Clearly, you see hints that it might, but I'm not really seeing that from my experience.

It'd be the death knell of the country should this come to pass, and it must not be allowed to pass. I agree. We'd have to tell them to peddle their crap elsewhere, where it's accepted. Russia maybe? China? How about North Korea?
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Here's the context



Note that the only other place he talks about choice is the choice "to put their kids in cheaper daycare.....and that's not a choice we want Americans to make"

Still an assumption.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

the president made some valid points in that speech
women should receive equal pay for equal work
what he did not say is we need stronger unions to make that happen
women with preschool children do have to choose between going to work and paying child care or staying home and foregoing a wage
what he did not say is how do we cover the cost of child care for those who need it. nor did he tell us if only some parents will be eligible for this presumed government assistance, or will every home be able to qualify for whatever expanded child care program he has envisioned

in short, this was a get-out-the-vote speech
notice he encouraged people to support his ideas ... *wink*wink*vote
trouble is, those he is trying to reach are probably not going to be tuned in to the whitehouse.gov page to see his appeal

all that said, i strongly support his half baked proposal
only thru education - and discipline - will we be able to break the cycle of poverty
i would rather have that single mother working and earning an income while her child(ren) is/(are) being taught how to behave in a public setting and learning the information they need to become successful elementary school students, than for them to be staying at home with her, absorbing little of value
also for married mothers of preschoolers, who would expand the family income by working rather than staying home with the little ones
moms in affluent families can often afford to stay at home and be with their preschool children. it's their choice to sacrifice and pass on additional family income in order care for their kids. and it should remain their choice to opt out if the president's proposal becomes implemented, much like choosing to spend to send kids to private school instead of having them attend public school. that should remain their choice
my fear is not one of governmental over-reach, but one of inadequate governmental oversight. will this become taxpayer paid child care under the guise of elevating our nation's childrens' education levels, or will we actually impose adequate educational requirements in order to participate as child care givers who receive the government child care subsidy
and for those moms (or dads) who stay at home, not employed, and want their kids to be in subsidized child care. no ****ing way should that be possible. school or work should be a requirement to be eligible. otherwise, raise your own preschooler
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

As I suspectedd, you don't have the quote

Here's a quote

No, what I provided is a quote. What you provided is edited to mash words together.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

That's an assumption.

No assumption. It's what he said, and I can quote him saying it, unlike the lies you've posted

And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare ...And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

The idea is to create an endless supply of gov't depended folks, that require an ever growing huge nanny state, to keep them voting for more of their "fair share" of the American pie. Drop out of school, get a McJob (or not) and breed like bunnies - no problem since the huge federal nanny state will make that personal choice (wise decision?) work out just fine. Some need gov't (it takes a village?) to supply that which they would otherwise need to use their own labor to secure; it is best for America's children that way - just ask Obama. ;)

Hmm, that'd be the path to ruin, that's for sure. Wonder when the order will come for kids to turn in their parents for having differing and not acceptable political opinions?
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Still an assumption.

No, it's a quote

And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare ...And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

While I editorialized the title of this thread, here's what was said:

"Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to Make' | The Weekly Standard

Now, what I would hope what he meant to say was something like "...that's not a choice we want Americans TO HAVE to make...", that's simply not what he actually said.

Obama states a fact and he's the one trying to hurt families????? Republicans block any attempt to assure single income families have a liveable wage?? Republicans also block any attempt to assure women are paid equally for the same job??

Hmm, how totally without logic do you have to be to buy into this type of propaganda?
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

No, what I provided is a quote. What you provided is edited to mash words together.

Here's the quote
And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare ...And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

All President Obama is proposing is that parents have access to high-quality day cares for their children for when those times that one or both parents can't be at home. And that women's wages shouldn't suffer if they take a couple years out of the workforce to stay home with their children.

Wow. And now you are comparing him to Romania. Huh. Quite a leap.

Greetings, paddymcdougall. :2wave:

No comparison! Ceausescu was a dictator who could do anything he liked. My point was that he did try it in Romania, it was very unpopular, and the people cheered when he and his wife were executed. Not everyone wants the government to start indoctrinating children in political ideology starting in pre-school, it seems, no matter where they live.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Greetings, paddymcdougall. :2wave:

No comparison! Ceausescu was a dictator who could do anything he liked. My point was that he did try it in Romania, it was very unpopular, and the people cheered when he and his wife were executed. Not everyone wants the government to start indoctrinating children in political ideology starting in pre-school, it seems, no matter where they live.

Here's what he said

And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare ...And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

So you said that low-income women can't financially benefit from putting their kids in day care because they have to pay for it, and when I point out that many don't have to pay for it, you say "it doesn't matter"???

And then you talk about " The idea that adding "free" daycare (calling it pre-school only increases the cost) makes any given job hire more moms" when he was talking about women who already have jobs?

C'mon ttwtt, even you can see that's not honest

Total BS - how does a "stay at home mom" already have a job?

Reading (the OP) is for the mental - I mean fundamental. ;)
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Those that like the idea of having no responsibility for their children, except for birthing them, will hail this! We're already seeing it. The rest of us will tell them to pedal their garbage elsewhere.

I remember seeing pictures of the children in Romania and how they suffered as a result of Romanian dictator Ceausesco's decision to do exactly what is being proposed here. He and his wife were executed by firing squad in 1989 - 120 bullets were found in their bodies, BTW, and the people cheered! Just saying....

you will have to provide a link showing us that ceausesco's assassination was because he provided greater child care opportunities for romania's children before i find your story credible
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Obama states a fact and he's the one trying to hurt families????? Republicans block any attempt to assure single income families have a liveable wage?? Republicans also block any attempt to assure women are paid equally for the same job??

Hmm, how totally without logic do you have to be to buy into this type of propaganda?

You think him saying that kids should be in pre-schools is an attempt to hurt families? How have Republicans tried to block equal pay for women?
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Total BS - how does a "stay at home mom" already have a job?

How does a low income mom have an income if she's not working?

Reading (the OP) is for the mental - I mean fundamental. ;)

In the speech, he's clearly talking about working mothers.

And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare that maybe doesn’t have the kinds of programming that makes a big difference in a child’s development. And sometimes there may just not be any slots, or the best programs may be too far away. And sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.

Here's the quote from the OP, which you imply you've read
"Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."
How does the mom "leave the workplace" if she's not working?

Remember, reading is fundamental :lol:
 
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