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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    All President Obama is proposing is that parents have access to high-quality day cares for their children for when those times that one or both parents can't be at home. And that women's wages shouldn't suffer if they take a couple years out of the workforce to stay home with their children.

    Wow. And now you are comparing him to Romania. Huh. Quite a leap.
    ...happen to work in the White House. Obama should clear that little problem up before he lectures others on such subjects.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. There is no "free" program to allow lower wage households to see a net financial benefit from paying others to raise their children.
    Umm, if it's free (and there are a # of free pre-school programs), then they don't have to pay
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What it has more to do with is irrelevant. You can infer that he meant to say that that's not a choice we want Americans to HAVE to make, but that's not what he said. Had he said that, I would agree with you. In fact, I think that may have been what he meant to say. But he didn't say it, he may have meant to say exactly what he said. If you want to analyse it, that's fine, but one possible analysis of what he "really" meant to say is that he thinks it's more important for women to stay in the workforce earning money than it is to stay at home with the kids so that they can maintain the same wages as men that don't stay home with the kids instead of working. It could also be inferred...since we're inferring...that he thinks kids should be in govt run institutions rather than at home.
    If the goal is really income parity with men, then women really do need to be able to choose to stay in the workforce.

    As I said before, the comment has more to do with justifying lower wages for women than it does with some government plot to take children out of the home and indoctrinate them in government run preschools.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm sure you have a quote of him saying "I don't want moms to raise their children"
    "Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If the goal is really income parity with men, then women really do need to be able to choose to stay in the workforce.
    Many do, many don't. Obama clearly want's them to stay in the workforce rather than raise their children.

    As I said before, the comment has more to do with justifying lower wages for women than it does with some government plot to take children out of the home and indoctrinate them in government run preschools.
    Maybe. And he's also saying that they have lower wages because they left the workforce for a period of time rather than simply because they are women. That's significant. However, he clearly said he doesn't want women to leave the workforce to raise their children. He want's them put in schools instead. Whatever his motive, and we can infer all the motives we like, that's what he said.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    ...happen to work in the White House. Obama should clear that little problem up before he lectures others on such subjects.
    Heya HB. There you go and notice when BO talks about Women he doesn't want to have to debate a Woman from the Right.

    Katie Pavlich has no trouble calling him or any of the left out over women's issues. Especially when BO and Team start thinking for them. Lets see them step up to the plate rather than run around and lecture others.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The quote in the op says exactly that. "And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."
    And the choice he was talking about is "her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life"
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No it's in context. It can only be assumed to be out of context if you assume he meant to say it differently.
    Here's the context

    And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare that maybe doesn’t have the kinds of programming that makes a big difference in a child’s development. And sometimes there may just not be any slots, or the best programs may be too far away. And sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
    Note that the only other place he talks about choice is the choice "to put their kids in cheaper daycare.....and that's not a choice we want Americans to make"
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    That reminds me that there was a recent study showing a link between those that spend more time in day care as a child and violent behavior when they are adults.
    Odd. You'd think that the early exposure to group settings and group dynamics would have trending to stronger socialization skills.
    Are you saying that's not the study's conclusion?
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Umm, if it's free (and there are a # of free pre-school programs), then they don't have to pay
    It makes no difference who does the paying. The idea that adding "free" daycare (calling it pre-school only increases the cost) makes any given job hire more moms (rather than other workers) still makes no sense. We do not have a shortage of workers in the US that requires more mothers (or fathers) with young children to get out and work more. Rest assured that, just like illegal aliens, they will not only take jobs that "nobody else wants".
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